James Walker
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Yep, another Paiste cymbal thread from me. 
I just put two rivets in my 20" Twenty ride. I thought this was a good candidate for rivets. One often hears the caveat against installing rivets in the hopes of making a bad cymbal sound good, but this was different - I liked the Twenty in its original state, but I had other cymbals that I would pull out of the rack instead. So, I figured riveting would be worth a shot. I wasn't trying to rehabilitate a cymbal - I was hoping to make it stand out from my other rides, make it something unique in my collection.
Mission accomplished, IMO. My only riveted cymbal prior to this was a Paiste Traditionals flat, already a specialty item - I didn't yet have a "belled" ride with rivets.
I experimented with taped coins to try to determine the placement of the rivets prior to drilling. So far, so good - but I want to live with it for a while, and hear it in the context of a gig, before I draw any conclusions.
Sound files:
recording of cymbal prior to rivets
single strike with fingertips
generic jazz ride alone
generic jazz ride w/kit
generic bossa nova
generic backbeat
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Flam Master Flash
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Sounds like a cool project, James. I definately think that the rivets add a more interesting element to that cymbal. Good idea with the coins. Is there only a small area that is ideal for rivet placement from the edge of the cymbal?
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awfulldrummer
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i heard what you meant James. the cymbal sounded really nice before, and like a completely different cymbal after. i'm a big fan of rivets! great job.
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James Walker
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Thanks, guys.
Flash, I don't think there's any single ideal location - it depends on the cymbal, and of course, the effect one is going for. Some guys like just one rivet in a cymbal, others like six or eight distributed evenly around the edge, others like them more like what I've done.
These rivets are just over two inches in from the edge. I stopped by the Zildjian web site the other day, and in their FAQ (where they describe their rivet installation services), they mentioned locating the rivets 1-1/2" in from the edge. Still others like to have rivets about halfway between the edge and the center. As I understand it, the one thing to avoid is having them too close to the edge - one, so they don't damp the vibrations of the cymbal too much, and two, to minimize the risk of the cymbal developing cracks.
I just took dimes and nickels, and using just a little bit of tape (just enough to keep them on the cymbal, but muffling the cymbal as little as possible), tried a bunch of different locations, with one, two, or three coins. I marked the spots with a Sharpie, where the response seemed to be the best and most even. I started by drilling just one hole, and trying different rivets (I just bought a bunch of Agop and Bosphorus rivets - the Bos are a bit smaller, FWIW). However, after playing it a bit, I wasn't getting enough rivet sound out of either the single Agop or single Bos rivet, so I went back to my drill press and knocked out the second hole - and with two Agop rivets, that's when this cymbal really kicked in.
I've been planning to pick up a swish/pang at some point, and based on the success with this cymbal, I want to see if I can track down a 20" Twenty china to try out. I don't know if it'll be the sound I want, and I'm not married to the Paiste brand, but if the Twenty ride works so well with rivets, I think the china is worth a shot.
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Flam Master Flash
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Well, I was so inspired that I drilled into my 19" mehmet ride and added a rivet. Sounds great, but doesn't quite cut through enough, so I'm going to add another. Tony@cymbalsonly recommended that I drill an inch and a quarter from the edge, but an inch and a half would be fine. Now that I read your post, I can understand why farther from the edge might be better. Also, I have Bosphorus rivets but think that I'd be better off if they were a hair larger, so I'll try the Agops.
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Alistair
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I have to say that I admire you guys for drilling your ride cymbals - I'm just too chicken to do that to mine (at the moment anyway)!
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Flam Master Flash
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Reged: Nov 17 2005
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Yeah, well I'm already thinking about drilling into my other ride, even though it cost me more than I had ever imagined paying for a cymbal! Probably would stay at least an 1" 1/2 from the edge on that one, though.
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