JoeRPorter
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Which do you prefer?
finished birch, unfinished birch, or rattan shafts and why?
I'm going to be ordering some ney rosauro's mallets, I got sold by the sound from watching a concert recently, and all the demos from online.
thanks for your oppinions, joe.
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JimP
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Musser Birch. Unfinished. My son uses Innovative Percussion Mallets they do have the finish on them and he likes them.
Rattan is okay for 2 mallet playing and xylophone playing but for marimba I prefer birch even for 2 mallet playing.
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JoeRPorter
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I read from two reviews, one from ney rosauro, and I forget who else said that they prefered the sound of the rattan shafts on the marimba. I'm curious on how much difference each shaft would make. Also everytime I play with rattan mallets and I feel the extra snap i fear of warping the shaft easily on rattan mallets. I definatetly am not rich so I don't want to buy a mallets that won't have a fair amount of milage.
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James Walker
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Joe,
I use both. I tend to prefer rattan for two-mallet work, and for four-mallet work, I'll use birch with Stevens grip, and rattan with cross-sticked grips, although there are always exceptions. That's just what I settled into back when I was in college, and it still works for me.
Try them both, and go with whichever one feels better to you. (This is one big benefit to being in school - you've got lots of drummers/percussionists, each with their own gear, so it's a great opportunity to check out different mallets, sticks, drums, cymbals, etc., first-hand.) Just like one's choice of four-mallet grip(s), there are no hard and fast rules, and the individual comfort factor of each player is paramount.
The tendency I've seen (YMMV) is usually along these lines, although obviously there are many exceptions:
Two-mallet playing: more often rattan
Four-mallet playing: Stevens/Musser grip players tend to favor birch, cross-stick grip players (Burton, traditional, Stout) tend to favor rattan.
In terms of the four-mallet grips, I took part in a masterclass with Leigh Stevens back when I was in college, and I used rattan mallets in combination with "his" grip. He suggested the use of birch. His reasoning was that the grip was inherently very flexible, and he didn't like the added flexibility of the rattan shafts on top of that - the birch helped with accuracy. Then again, there are other players who use that grip with rattan mallets, including Julie Spencer.
Most cross-stick grip players I run across (Burton grip, Stout grip, etc.) tend to use rattan, but here again, there are always exceptions. Last I checked, Bill Molenhof and Ed Saindon, two fine jazz mallet players who employ the Burton grip, both use mallets with birch shafts.
Again, the bottom line is, try both, and see which feels more comfortable for you.
In terms of durability, I've got rattan-handle mallets that are almost 30 years old, and they're holding up just fine. Any serious warpage can be countered by gently (GENTLY!) bending the handle back slightly in the opposite direction; FWIW, I don't seem to notice any minor warpage when I'm playing. The quality of rattan that I see in mallets nowadays is - generally speaking - decidedly better than the rattan I saw in mallets back when I was in college, back in the 1980s.
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JoeRPorter
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Thanks for you're replies!
Does anyone know the difference of sound between the birch and rattan? Is there much difference? If you compare hoops on a drum there are huge difference of sound, I wonder if it's the same thing, or if there are practically no changes in sound.
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James Walker
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I don't think there's a huge difference in sound, but at the same time, it's rare that I've played two sets of mallets which are identical except for the handle material. I don't know what it's like now, but back when I was in college (and a few years later, when I got to do some college teaching), there seemed to be a strong dichotomy:
Rattan handles = crossed-grip = vibraphone
Birch handles = Stevens/Musser grip = marimba
As a result, the guys who played marimba had "classical marimba mallets" which had certain wraps, cores, and birch handles. The guys who played vibes had "vibe mallets," which had certain wraps, cores, and rattan handles. It was rare to see a set of Burton/Samuels/Friedman vibe mallets with birch handles, just likt it was rare to see a set of Stevens/Burritt marimba mallets with rattan handles. That makes it really tough to do a good a/b comparison
I suppose there may be some difference in birch vs. rattan, simply because the mallets are different, but in the larger scheme of things I suspect that the instrument, the player, the wrap of the mallets, the weight of the mallets, and the cores of the mallets all are far more influential on the sound than the shaft of the mallet.
It would make for an interesting experiment, if someone had otherwise identical mallets available for comparison. In the larger scheme of things, however, I think that the factors I listed earlier (feel, flexibility, etc.) are far more important when making the birch v. rattan decision.
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marimbaguy
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I don't think that you should stick with only one or the other. I use rattan for slower passages that utilize chordal phrases. And I use birch for fast pieces. I find that rattan has too much flexibility for quick stuff. The rebound of the mallet takes just a little too long for me. But birch is a little too stiff for pulling slow, melodic phrases out of the bars. Use both depending on which piece you are playing. In "Black Sphinx" by Leander Kaiser, I use a soft mallet with rattan shafts for the opening idea, and then switch to a hard, birch mallet for the rest of the piece and it works great!
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James Walker
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Welcome to the forum, marimbaguy!
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