Ratamatatt
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I posted this link on another thread but it didn't get much traction.
Here is a link to a very comprehensive lesson on the Moeller method. BE SURE TO READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE SITE AND WATCH ALL THE VIDEO CLIPS. At the end, there is a link to additional material applying the method to drumset (some of which is duplicative), but is still worthwhile.
The first thing you'll notice is the odd grip used in the "original" Moeller method which, apparently, civil war drummers adapted from European military drummers. The right hand grip is similar to the grip you would use on a motorcycle throttle. ![[Eek!]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif) You'll also notice that the Moeller method includes not only the "whip" idea, but also the "rebound" idea involved in the Gladstone method.
Very interestingly, about 1/2 way through, you'll find a video clip demonstrating finger technique with the Moeller method. You're in for a VERY interesting surprise with this one. Enjoy!
http://www.digbydoodle.com/Moeller/vintage.htm
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mlp187
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Wow! What a great site - I think this is what a lot of people are looking for.
Thanks Ratamatatt
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compa
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LOL Rata... How and Where did you find it?? It's awesome ...Good God:=))
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DomNJOzz
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Very interesting.
I like the details.
The owner of that site is actually very friendly and answered questions I had.
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LambChops
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Ditto^
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jmfdrums
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I went through it last night...thanks for sharing the info.
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Ratamatatt
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Did anyone notice the video clip with the finger technique this guy used, with the index fingers of his left AND right hand? That just blew me away.
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compa
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yep me 2..lol
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have fun play drum
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I really don't know what to think about that. Different.
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LambChops
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Tony Williams used the pinky finger fulcrum. He said thats were he got his power from.
The finger control is what got me on the video clips. I keep my elbows out and thumbs up for finger control. The middle, ring and pinky are in control and my index is the fulcrum. I do, however, use the pinky a little more when I use wrist after reading a Tony Williams article. I have gotten more power from my wrist stroke because of that.
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jesuslovesyou
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Whoa! That guy has some serious skills. I am going to play like him from now on. We have been doing it wrong this whole time(at least I have)! Now I know why Jim Chapin's right hand grip was weird to me in the clips of him with Dom Famularo.
So interesting.
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Ratamatatt
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quote:
Originally posted by jesuslovesyou:
Whoa! That guy has some serious skills. I am going to play like him from now on. We have been doing it wrong this whole time(at least I have)! Now I know why Jim Chapin's right hand grip was weird to me in the clips of him with Dom Famularo.
So interesting.
Just keep an open mind. This style of drumming is best for hard hitting, but, probably not the best for softer (ie: acoustic) drumming. Chapin himself states that you should be open to using different methods for different applications.
BTW, Chapin's right hand grip is also informed by an old time rudimental drummer named J. Burns Moore who trained his students to curve their wrists so that the back of the hand faced forward when playing.
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LambChops
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The best teachers advovate to experiment and have more than one way to play. Like Rata. said, That's a good way for solid hitting, not softer stuff. Finger control and wrist work good on softer applications.
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roger strange
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This is a monster site.As to modifying the stuff for quieter playing. The cat talks about Morello when it comes to finger technique which pretty well says it all. You can see the cat's right hand working off the middle and the back of the hand and check out just how accurately he addresses the fulcrum issue in the text stating that the longer the fulcrum the less stick shock. For those who use matched grip just concentrate on how he uses the right hand and especially when working on the second section called Moeller 2 which addresses modification for kit work. If you have seen Jim work over a drum kit you see that right away. Once you have digested all that go watch how Tommy Cambell handles the Moeller type stuff with full modern modified Moeller and then drop back to that other superb master Joe Morello. There's a VCR tape out there called classic Jazz drummers published by Hudson Music with all the old masters playing solos. Both Rich and Joe are using matched grip. Joe's is on his solo on Take 5.
You can also see matched modified Moeller in action with Gadd on a lot of his work with Clapton. It's stuff anyone should really get into if they want to keep playing for many decades because all that original snare drum Moeller is the basis for any good stick handling
whether you are using any of the current grips on the go. Very important to stretch out those hands on the sticks and use the fore-fingers more as springs.
I immediately downloaded all the clips and burnt them to CD so that I could run a check on my own technique and tune myself up right away.
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