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awfulldrummer
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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46198 - Sat Feb 20 2010 02:33 AM (24.60.138.238)

again, i'm not argueing politics here. your opinions are your right to have. if i actually knew you(i never confuse online with actually meating) i would discuse this to your face.i said i disagree with you politicly to make it obvious i'm a conservative. the only thing predictable is that a liberal and a concervative will disagree!

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: awfulldrummer]
      #46204 - Sat Feb 20 2010 07:30 AM (66.176.153.10)

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again, i'm not argueing politics here. your opinions are your right to have. if i actually knew you(i never confuse online with actually meating) i would discuse this to your face.i said i disagree with you politicly to make it obvious i'm a conservative. the only thing predictable is that a liberal and a concervative will disagree!




Now, you're dodging the issue. The issue is that you're fine with a blowhard wingnut making pejorative comments about me. But, when I respond in a like manner, you're all offended by it. The hypocrisy is what is predictable. Never mind that my comments have merit and his do not.


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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46209 - Sat Feb 20 2010 12:41 PM (24.60.138.238)

Rat, it's a very long post. i'm sorry but i haven't read every post. quote what you're refering too. i don't know what was said to you. in my opinion i haven't read one thing of yours that has "merit"! besides we have a totaly new presidential team in office get over bush!

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: awfulldrummer]
      #46210 - Sun Feb 21 2010 05:25 AM (66.176.153.10)

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Rat, it's a very long post. i'm sorry but i haven't read every post. quote what you're refering too. i don't know what was said to you. in my opinion i haven't read one thing of yours that has "merit"! besides we have a totaly new presidential team in office get over bush!




I believe that most informed liberals would read your comments, shrug their shoulders, shake their heads and move on. I can't. Although, my comments may be sarcastic, understand that (1) I say exactly what I think, and (2) I take the time to write, in part, because I think there's hope.

First, it comes as no surprise that a self described "conservative" would come to this "political" thread and express judgments about me (or anything for that matter), without ever having read the thread. Proceeding in ignorance, or worse, misinformation, is the calling card of conservatism. I would suggest that you read the whole thread before commenting further. You might learn something. You might be prepared to make an informed rebuttal to my comments.

Second, your suggestion to "get over Bush" is the height of ignorance and hypocrisy, and makes no more sense than to declare that I should "get over Osama Bin Laden," whose murderous crimes pale in comparison to those of Bush and his despicable family. Perhaps you would also suggest that we just "get over" all of the crimes of all the prisoners in every jail and prison in America, all of whose crimes pale in comparison to those of Bush and his family. That would make more sense, and result in less injustice, than what you suggest. Justice demands that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, et al. be tried in the International Criminal Court in The Hague for their war crimes, and to be tried in the federal court for their enumerated crime of Fraud on the United States, and conspiracy to commit fraud on the United States, given fair trials, and sentenced accordingly. Neither I, nor anyone who has two neurons between their ears to rub together, will EVER "get over" the war criminals Bush, Cheney and their entire war profiteering administration and corporatist, fascist supporters and war profiteers, any sooner than we will "get over" the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis. The only difference that I see between Bush and Hitler is that Bush did it for money, Hitler was a lunatic. Which is worse? Rather, I WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT BUSH, HIS FAMILY, CHENEY, AND THEIR CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION, AND THEIR CORRUPT AND/OR HAPLESS SUPPORTERS, IN PERPETUITY! Further, tell me how many times have you said that Rush Limbaugh, or Glen Beck, or Sean Hannity, or Bill O'Reilly, or Michael Weiner, or any of the 100's of wingnut, corporatist, fascist, propagandists who pollute the American media, should just "get over" Bill Clinton, or Jimmy Carter, or JFK, or Franklyn f***ing Delano Roosevelt for crying out loud? Or, is your suggestion reserved only for informed liberals who step on your fairy tail belief system by speaking the truth about the corporatist, fascist, war criminals that you support? YOU GET OVER IT!

In addition to his criminal enterprises, the pimp, Bush, by and through his complete corruption and administrative incompetence, has perpetuated the fraud and idiocy of so called "conservative" economic policy of unregulated "free market" capitalism, advocated by the corporatist, fascists to the ignorant conservatives, to unprecedented levels after the Great Depression, resulting in the greatest economic collapse since the Great Depression, which also resulted from unregulated "free market" capitalism. The entire "conservative movement" has been a fraud and a failure, ab initio, beginning with the puppet, pimp, Ronald Reagan. As a result, living, breathing, voting American citizens no longer have any representation in government. Over the past 30 years, beginning with Reagan, the entire government, every branch, at every level federal, state and local, has been taken over by the corporatist, fascists. Virtually every law passed by Congress and every state legislature, and every regulation promulgated by every administrative agency state and federal, (INCLUDING AS ONE SMALL EXAMPLE, THE CURRENT PUTATIVE "HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL"), is WRITTEN BY THE LAWYERS WHO REPRESENT THE CORPORATE FASCISTS, FOR THEIR BENEFIT, TO PROTECT THEIR ECONOMIC INTERESTS, WHICH ARE IRRECONCILABLE WITH THE INTERESTS OF PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE! This is the exact result that the Godless, amoral, ruthless, corporatists have worked for, and continue to work to maintain, by all manner of propaganda and subterfuge aimed at manipulating the legions of ignorant conservative voters. YOU VOTED FOR THAT! DOES IT MAKE YOU PROUD THAT YOU HAVE SUCCEEDED?

After what has occurred right under your nose, the very idea that you would continue to proudly declaim that you are "a conservative" stands as a confession to anyone capable of even the most rudimentary critical thinking and analysis that you are utterly clueless and brainwashed! In my opinion, your cluelessness is a breach of your duty as an American and a voter, and a cause for the most profound shame on your part. Yet, you skip merrily along in your conservative ignorance, happy to adopt the vile, hateful, preposterous, pathological, corporatist, fascist propaganda spewed by corporate owned main stream media and their paid talking heads masquerading as journalists, as your own! GIVE THAT CONSERVATIVE A SCOOBY SNACK!!!

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46214 - Sun Feb 21 2010 07:10 AM (98.197.128.122)

Jesus...Dude...way before reagan...95% of all the elected officials are bought and paid for and do the bidding of those that put them there. You think that's some shocking revelation? Change your handle to Jenine Garafolo...you sound about the same. How's that hope and change working out?

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: 777Drum]
      #46216 - Sun Feb 21 2010 10:20 AM (66.176.153.10)

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Jesus...Dude...way before reagan...95% of all the elected officials are bought and paid for and do the bidding of those that put them there. You think that's some shocking revelation? Change your handle to Jenine Garafolo...you sound about the same. How's that hope and change working out?




Thank you for confirming, once again, that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You're so brainwashed the truth is unrecognizable to you. You are however expert at parroting the mindless blather of teabagging wingnuttia! I also notice that you have conveniently ignored my standing question to you set forth above. I won't hold my breath!

Now, in response to your rhetorical question, imagine where we would be if the corrupt, incompetent, egomaniacal, John McCain, who publicly admitted he knew very little about economics, had won the election and perpetuated the corrupt, incompetent, fraudulent trickle down policies of Reagan, Bush, Bush and the stinkpublicans. Never mind the fact that a dangerously inbred, psychopathic, dim witted, Neo-Nazi would be a heart attack, or assassin's bullet, away from the Presidency. McCain's economic advisor during his campaign was Phil Gramm. You should know all about this ass-wipe masquerading as a public servant! He was your Senator, before he quit to make his living pimping for the criminal enterprise, Swiss Bank, UBS, worldwie leader and purveyor of derivative contracts on subprime mortgage backed securities, which advised its employees not to travel to the U.S. for risk of being arrested. (I'm presuming that you know what mortgage backed securities and derivative contracts are, since you are so knowledgable about creeping socialism, after all. LMFAO!). Now, immagine that this UBS pimp, Phil Gramm, the architect of the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Banking Deregulation Act, (which repealed many of the safegards put in place following Great Depression which successfully prevented another finanical collapse for almost 70 years), and which was the single biggest influence in the world wide banking liquidity crisis and economic collapse of 2008, WAS SLATED TO BE MCCAIN'S TREASURY SECRETARY! SO, I'D SAY, COMPARED TO THE STINKPUBLICAN ALTERNATIVE, HOPE AND CHANGE IS WORKING OUT GREAT, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THE PIMPS FOR THE CORPORATOCRACY WERE KEPT OUT OF POWER! "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." -- George Santayana

But a Fox Noise junkie wouldn't know anything about any of that, would he!

PS: FYI, every single republican in Congress, to a man (or woman), without exception, and about 25% of the Democrats, aspire to be equally as corrupt as Phil Gramm! So, how's your "freeeeeee market capitalism" workin' out for ya', wingnut?


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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46220 - Sun Feb 21 2010 08:08 PM (174.214.71.109)

OMG Rat! If you read what I said, that I wasn't going to discuss politics hear. You're very arguemenative. You just seem to want a fight. I can always handle a good discussion about politics at a civil mannor. But you're always on the attack. If some one else was attacking you I would have advised them to stop too. All I wanted was for you to say your points and opinions and your facts in a civil way. Other than stateing that I'm concervative I really didn't say anything to offend you. If I did offend you in any way other than my political stance than I'm truly sorry. Now say what you want on a human leval. I won't be posting in this thread anymore. I hope to have better conversations with you on other subjects, I do think you are a smart enthusiastic and informed drummer. I hope outside of this thread we can continue with the joy of this drum forum.

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: awfulldrummer]
      #46222 - Mon Feb 22 2010 12:44 AM (76.30.191.202)

Glad you think creeping socialism is funny. The country is broke because of much of it. Your Hope and Change joke is a sleazy marxist lawyer that couldn't run a corner store. Your posts read like a typical deadbeat liberal. In less then 3 months in office your joke made sure this country is financially destroyed. In three months he increased the debt more than all the other presidents combined! Hello??And now you fools want healthcare for all. Cap and trade, for we must save the planet from global warming! What crap. Biggest scam ever. You're just a useful tool totally missing the big picture. It's all about control. You and your ilk should move to venezuela. There you could bask in the socialism you crave. News flash..Socialism DOESN'T Work! You should get some help on your Bush Chaney thing though, that's obviously a problem for you. Let it go man, move on. Let me guess....you have a government job? That would make sense. The only jobs the government can make are government jobs and they produce nothing. They feed like ticks off the taxpayers.

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: 777Drum]
      #46226 - Mon Feb 22 2010 09:37 AM (70.16.169.232)

I hate to even get back into this one .lol. But this is my 2 cents. Ted Kennedy's seat went to a republican. The Republicans won in Jersey and Virginia.
If that is not a slap in the face to the Democrats, nothing will ever be. That is good. They don't get it. They are still trying to shove health care down our throats along with everything else.
The American people are fed up with this crap. The Dem's are going to lose big time. And they still won't get it. They will just "Blame Bush".
That's good. Keep it up. Continue to not get it.
Not that the Repub's are much better. They don't get it either.
Stop spending my kids and Grandkid's money. Stop bankrupting this country.Bush started it and Obama voted for it and then when he became President he increased it by 4 times.
Don't even get me started about all the money being spent defending terrorists. Oh, ya. we don't call them that with this administration.
ps. I don't think I have done any name calling here. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think that in November the Dem's are going to find out that a lot of Americans feel pretty close to how I feel. Time will tell.

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: awfulldrummer]
      #46229 - Tue Feb 23 2010 02:36 AM (66.176.153.10)

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OMG Rat! If you read what I said, that I wasn't going to discuss politics hear. You're very arguemenative. You just seem to want a fight. I can always handle a good discussion about politics at a civil mannor. But you're always on the attack. If some one else was attacking you I would have advised them to stop too. All I wanted was for you to say your points and opinions and your facts in a civil way. Other than stateing that I'm concervative I really didn't say anything to offend you. If I did offend you in any way other than my political stance than I'm truly sorry. Now say what you want on a human leval. I won't be posting in this thread anymore. I hope to have better conversations with you on other subjects, I do think you are a smart enthusiastic and informed drummer. I hope outside of this thread we can continue with the joy of this drum forum.




The way I look at it is that drummers are citizens, too. Although, I do think it's wise to keep the topic of politics sequestered in a separate area.

As for civility, ONE MORE TIME, you're applying a double standard. Perhaps you haven't noticed that the corporatist fascists, their corporatist, propagandist, main stream media, and their hapless followers have elevated the employment of the most vile, despicable, hateful, bigoted rhetoric to insurmountable levels - for decades. Far worse than my comments can be read on this thread from such dupes. They deserve no less than "in-kind" treatment, and I'm more than happy to give it to them. Although, in fact, my comments are tame by comparison to some.


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