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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin ti hell in a hand basket , part 2
      #21292 - Wed Jun 07 2006 07:46 PM (152.163.100.6)

hey, wheres GoLoco on this?

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin ti hell in a hand basket , part 2
      #21293 - Fri Jun 09 2006 04:18 PM (68.235.146.135)

He went loco! Now he can better relate to Bush and Ann Coulter.

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin ti hell in a hand basket , part 2 [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #36558 - Sun Oct 15 2006 01:29 PM (172.145.137.38)

I got yer bush right here rat

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin ti hell in a hand basket , part 2 [Re: Go Loco]
      #36560 - Sun Oct 15 2006 01:56 PM (172.145.137.38)

I made a statement that started this first post just because I was sick of the way I see this country being taken over and given away by people that don’t have the right to do that.
Maybe most of those people are people that we elected into office and gave them that right.
Most of those people got elected by campaigning on false pretenses.
Too much Mud Slinging goes on in politics today in our country and politicians think that if they make everyone else look bad then they have to look good. You know what’s sad? It works. They get elected then we find out how rotten and crooked they are.
If I could fix it, believe me I would but I don’t know how.
If a politician isn’t crooked when he gets elected, I bet he will be before long and long before he gets re-elected.
If I were elected I’d be crooked too most likely. But I’ll be Damned if I would take money and food out of American’s homes to give it to foreigners and illegal aliens just to look good for the bleeding heart liberals that would get me elected again.
I’ve said this before and say it again, “If I walk into a store and ask the proprietor to sell me a loaf of bread, No Law in the country says that he Has to sell it to me. Matter of fact he can refuse. Matter of Fact he can tell me, “I’m not selling you Any bread because you are White.”
You won’t see that on the TV News or read it in the paper.
If a Green or any other color race or religion walks into the store for the same thing, Our Federal Law says He Has To Get His Bread!
I’m involved with Union Construction which always preaches the Democrat Vote. I don’t always vote that way. To satisfy the Rat, I have never voted for anyone named Bush.
I also think the party system should be abolished and people should be elected on their own actions. It could be the best idea in the world but because a Democrat presented it, the Republicans vote against it, or the other way around. Don't copy and paste this please, it's already been read.

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin ti hell in a hand basket , part 2 [Re: Go Loco]
      #36573 - Mon Oct 16 2006 03:08 AM (64.80.98.165)

My father used to tell me that you can't always stop someone from doing something to you once, but you can keep them from making it a habit.

Matter of Fact, yes, that store proprietor can tell you, “I’m not selling you Any bread
because you are White.” and he can also tell me, “I’m not selling you Any bread
because you are Black.” But the laws, initially setup to protect the groups that were
actually experiencing descrimination, apply to everyone.

What you do with those laws afterward will affect that merchant's bottom line and make sure you get your bread in the future. And yes, reverse descrimination DOES show up in the News and TV.

(See the bottom article for a recent example - October 5th news feed)

Excerpted from

http://public.findlaw.com/civil-rights/r...n-overview.html

Discrimination in Public Accommodations
What is a Public Accommodation?

Federal and state laws prohibit discrimination against certain protected groups in
businesses and places that are considered "public accommodations." The definition of
a "public accommodation" may vary depending upon the law at issue (i.e. federal or state), and the type of discrimination involved (i.e. race discrimination or disability
discrimination). Generally speaking, it may help to think of public accommodations as
most (but not all) businesses or buildings that are open to (or offer services to) the
general public. More specifically, the definition of a "public accommodation" can be
broken down into two types of businesses / facilities:

Government-owned/operated facilities, services, and buildings

Privately-owned/operated businesses, services, and buildings

Privately-owned/operated businesses and buildings. Privately-owned businesses and facilities that offer certain goods or services to the public -- including food, lodging, gasoline, and entertainment -- are considered public accommodations for purposes of federal and state anti-discrimination laws. For purposes of disability discrimination, the definition of a "public accommodation" is even more broad, encompassing most businesses that are open to the public (regardless of type).

Laws Prohibiting Discrimination in Public Accommodations: Race, Color, Religion, and National Origin

Federal law prohibits public accommodations from discriminating on the basis of race, color, religion, or national origin. If you think that you have been discriminated against in using such a facility, you may file a complaint with the Civil Rights Division of the
Department of Justice, or with the United States attorney in your area. You may also file
suit in the U.S. district court.


Example article.....

From the New York Times

MACON, Miss., Oct. 5 — The Justice Department has chosen this no-stoplight, courthouse town buried in the eastern Mississippi prairie for an unusual civil rights test: the first federal lawsuit under the Voting Rights Act accusing blacks of suppressing the rights of whites.

The action represents a sharp shift, and it has raised eyebrows outside the state. The
government is charging blacks with voting fraud in a state whose violent rejection of
blacks’ right to vote, over generations, helped give birth to the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Yet within Mississippi the case has provoked knowing nods rather than cries of outrage, even among liberal Democrats.

The Justice Department’s main focus is Ike Brown, a local power broker whose imaginative electoral tactics have for 20 years caused whisperings from here to the state capital in Jackson, 100 miles to the southwest. Mr. Brown, tall, thin, a twice-convicted felon, the chairman of the Noxubee County Democratic Executive Committee and its undisputed political boss, is accused by the federal government of orchestrating — with the help of others — “relentless voting-related racial discrimination” against whites, whom blacks outnumber by more than 3 to 1 in the county.

His goal, according to the government: keeping black politicians — ones supported by Mr. Brown, that is — in office.

To do that, the department says, he and his allies devised a watertight system for
controlling the all-determining Democratic primary, much as segregationists did decades
ago.

Mr. Brown is accused in the lawsuit and in supporting documents of paying and organizing notaries, some of whom illegally marked absentee ballots or influenced how the ballots were voted; of publishing a list of voters, all white, accompanied by a warning that they would be challenged at the polls; of importing black voters into the county; and of altering racial percentages in districts by manipulating the registration rolls.

To run against the county prosecutor — one of two white officeholders in Noxubee — Mr.
Brown brought in a black lawyer from outside the county, according to the supporting documents, who never even bothered to turn on the gas or electricity at his rented apartment.

That candidate was disqualified. Whites, who make up just under 30 percent of the population here, are circumspect when discussing Mr. Brown, though he remains a hero to many blacks. When he drove off to federal prison to serve a sentence for tax fraud in 1995, he received a grand farewell from his political supporters and friends, including local elected officials; whites, on the other hand, for years have seen him as a kind of occult force in determining the affairs of the county.

Still, many whites said privately they welcomed the Justice Department’s lawsuit, which is scheduled for trial early next year.

“In my opinion, it puts the focus on fair play,” said Roderick Walker, the county prosecutor Mr. Brown tried to oust, in 2003. “They were doing something wrong.”

Up and down South Jefferson Street, though, in the old brick commercial district, the white merchants refused to be quoted, for fear of alienating black customers. “There’s a lot of voting irregularities, but that’s all I’m going to say,” one woman said, ending the conversation abruptly.

The Justice Department’s voting rights expert is less reserved. “Virtually every election provides a multitude of examples of these illegal activities organized by Ike Brown and other defendants, and those who act in concert with them,” the expert, Theodore S. Arrington, chairman of the political science department at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, wrote in a report filed with the court.

Mr. Brown is coolly dismissive of the case against him. He has no office at the white-columned Noxubee County Courthouse, but that is where he casually greets visitors, in a chair near the entrance. A loquacious man, he both minimizes his own role and portrays himself as a central target. Far from being the vital orchestrator portrayed by the government, “when I was in Maxwell prison in ’95 and ’96, the show went right on,” he said.

There are so few whites in the county, Mr. Brown suggests, that the tactics he is accused of are unnecessary to keep blacks in office.

“They can’t win anyway unless we choose to vote for them,” he said with a smile. “If I was doing something wrong — that’s like closing the barn door when the horse is already gone.”

He sees the lawsuit against him as merely the embittered reaction of whites who feel disenfranchised, and he scoffs at a consent decree signed last year in which county officials agreed not to harass or intimidate white candidates or voters, manipulate absentee ballots, or let poll workers coach voters, among other things. “I wouldn’t sign my name,” Mr. Brown said.

But the Justice Department is pressing ahead with its suit, and wants to force Mr. Brown to agree to the same cease-and-desist conditions as his fellow county officials.

The state’s Democratic establishment has hardly rallied around Mr. Brown; privately some Democrats here express disdain for his tactics. Instead, he is being defended by a maverick Republican lawyer who sees the suit as an example of undue interference in the affairs of a political party.

“To do what they want to do, they would virtually have to take over the Democratic Party,” said the lawyer, Wilbur Colom, adding that Mr. Brown’s notoriety had made him the focus of the investigation. “I believe they were under so much pressure because of Ike’s very sophisticated election operation. He is a Karl Rove genius on the Noxubee County level.”

In Jackson, though, a leading light in Mr. Brown’s own party, Mississippi Secretary of State Eric Clark, a longtime moderate in state politics, refused to endorse him.

“Anybody who tries to prevent people from voting is breaking the law,” Mr. Clark said. “I certainly suspect some of that has been going on.”

Back in Macon, in the shadow of the courthouse green’s standard-issue Confederate monument, Mr. Brown spoke of history: “They had their way all the time. They no longer have their way. That’s what it’s all about.” The case is “all about politics,” he said, “all about them trying to keep me from picking the lock.”

But Mr. Walker, the county prosecutor, insisted the past had nothing to do with the case against Mr. Brown. “I wouldn’t sit here and pretend black people haven’t been mistreated,” he said. “I hate what happened in the past. But I can’t do anything about it.”


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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a hand basket , part 2 [Re: Mike4]
      #36580 - Mon Oct 16 2006 02:02 PM (172.149.2.238)

It seems that Mike4 is a very well educated fellow and being an analyst, I think that a prerequisite. Yes the proprietor of the store can tell you he won’t sell you the bread because you are black, but it is against the Code of Federal Regulations and he can be imprisoned for it. If he says “Because you’re white” there is no law against that on Federal record.
Just because the cases you point out made the statements you quote, bears no legal impact. You can say anything in court. It may be stricken form the record but you still said it and folks still heard it.
You know it’s funny but there is only 2 words you can not use in public to call someone and it’s only against regulations if that term applies to them.
I do appreciate your input Mike4. That’s why this is a discussion, a display of knowledge and a chance to opine.

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a hand basket , part 2 [Re: Go Loco]
      #36584 - Tue Oct 17 2006 02:27 AM (64.80.98.165)

Although I do appreciate the kind words, I’m just a product of great parents & family, Michigan public schools and a couple of years of college, the military and blessed with a lot of life & reading mixed in. Analyst is merely a job title and an outdated one at that (I’ve been promoted twice since then) and the reason for my input is not to simply display knowledge for knowledge’s sake but to clarify just a couple of your over generalized (and what I believe to be) erroneous statements about both yours AND my civil rights in the US.

In my 9-to-5, the first thing I do daily, is to peruse the FR AKA Federal Register for items of interest to my organization. This info is published daily at the Govt Printing Office (GPO) website. It just so happens that it is also where the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) is published. (here’s the link if you wish to check ). If I should be on the Dept of Justice site please let me know (as most of the GPO published regs refer to entities receiving fed funds).

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/cfr/index.html

I’ve searched the site and all of the CFR regulations that I found so far begins with or contains the words “no person” (as in no person shall be discriminated based on….)
Not “no Black person” or “no Green person” or “no person of this particular group, list, etc”. Just the 2 words, “no person”. I can’t interpret that to mean anything but no person…..now theses regs do refer to entities receiving fed funds and not necessarily private business so please feel free to steer me to the appropriate site where these Federal laws that discriminate against you, exist.

I’m not entirely clear by what your middle sentence meant and I’m no lawyer but I’d bet good money that your analysis of my legal impact is incorrect and I’m pretty sure that saying anything in court that is not true is considered perjury.
From my admittedly limited understanding perjury (if it is even known to be so at the time), is not usually stricken from the record, striking statements from the court record is usually reserved for unqualified opinions, hearsay, inflammatory statements, etc (but remember, I’m no lawyer and since this whole paragraph is speculation, it should probably be stricken;-)

You also stated that no examples of reverse discrimination could be found in the news. The recently published NY Times article I submitted, refutes that. And I am sad to say,
I didn’t have to search long for it.

If you can please provide examples or links to the laws that you speak of that uphold these injustices to YOUR rights, I would be most interested in reading them, apologizing to you and maybe even send an email to a PAC like move.org to get the ball rolling on reestablishing YOUR rights as a US citizen getting your bread (so to speak). And if you can also point me to the law about the 2 Words you spoke of, I’d really like to read that!

Until then, the only 2 Words that really matter 2 me are, “no person”…….


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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a hand basket , part 2 [Re: Mike4]
      #36589 - Tue Oct 17 2006 01:51 PM (172.132.214.238)

Oh as in “no person shall be discriminated against because of race....., sexual preference......, religion.....? Webster saying “the act of discriminating, the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently.” Of course it goes on about ‘reverse discrimination’ also.

You think it possible to organize a White History Month? A White Folks College Fund? Would Six Flags allow us to celebrate Straight Day? Could we sue NBC for not having enough white people on a TV show? Could there be a White Entertainment Network on cable?
If a construction BTW, congratulations on your promotions, in all sproject is funded by government money all contracts state that “the workforce must be comprised of at least 16.9% minorities, half of which must be women.” “Labor or materials which are provided by sub-contract must have at least 20% minorities participation.” Therefore it is legal to have a workforce of 100% ‘purple’ women.
I know that most contracts of any kind funded by government money have similar stipulations.
Nothing guarantees a job to a white man (other than somebody has to work.)
And congratulations on your promotions, seriously.

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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a hand basket , part 2 [Re: Go Loco]
      #36596 - Wed Oct 18 2006 02:04 AM (64.80.98.165)

Webster also defines “white as the absence of color” but like your example of Webster’s definition of discrimination, neither definition applies to the present discussion of your perceived lack of civil rights and the laws that you claim to restrict and discriminate against you. In the eyes of the law, white is a color too….

And again, you focus your argument on the lack of labeled holiday’s, causes, and funds for White people while you overlook the simple mathematics and deductions that are as follows. For example, if you take away the months that focus on a particular minorities history (say, Black, Asian, Hispanic, etc) at most how many are we talking? Say 6? That leaves 6 other months that history is and will continue to be taught from a Eurocentric perspective (i,e White history, if you will).

Apply the same argument to college funding, it’s a drop in the financial bucket. And if you see injustice to white people in the United Negro College then how do you feel about legacy appointments and folks who get into a great school, not because of their academic achievements but who their father was and how much he donated to build a particular wing?

TV? No all white shows? Plenty of shows out there where you don’t have to see a minority. (Don’t ya’ll miss all but the last season of Friends?) I loved Cheers and damn! It was all white! I still love Fraser reruns!! But I digress;-) Sorry I don’t know the names of any new minority-free TV shows since I’ve been trying to curtail my TV time and study more music (but seriously, I can take an evening to find you some recommended suitable viewing ).

Anyway, I know I won’t be changing your mind about what upsets you in this life but I can only hope to offer the readers of this topic an alternative and valid and positive opinion on who ISN’T to blame for this country’s problems and your oppression.

peace


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Re: I'm afraid our country is goin t hell in a han [Re: Mike4]
      #36681 - Fri Oct 27 2006 01:35 PM (64.10.154.143)

I just don't get it! What does skin colour have to do with anything? I am personally of mixed heritage including Scottish, Irish, English, Welsh, Spanish, and Native American.... Make that Canadian. Am I supposed to hate myself? Can't we accept each other as humans and therefore equals? Can't we make room for new ideas? After all, the drumset we play is a relatively "new" idea being less than a hundred years old.

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