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Flam Master Flash
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Re: Sweet Bridget it's HERE!!! [Re: olias]
      #39621 - Sat Jul 07 2007 02:16 AM (69.29.213.44)

I really enjoyed the DVD, and even more, it reinforced all the great things that I have learned from Tiger Bill's Drumbeat home page. I've never had the chance to take a lesson in person, but at least this provides another way to reinforce his teachings. Its important to see how he really emphasises throwing down the stick at max. speed. I think that I've definately been taking the lazy route lately, so now I know what I can do to get the best of my already limited practice time.Thanks Tiger! Nice board chopping sequence as well!

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Re: Tigerbill's DVD! Just watched it! Amazing! [Re: TigerBill]
      #39623 - Sat Jul 07 2007 07:06 AM (64.252.70.195)

....and if we notice....many videos reference and pay homage to a guru such as Jim Chapin, Joe Morello, Sanford Moeller, et al.

Who does Tiger reference? .... BRUCE LEE!

TOO COOL!


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bear45
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Re: Sweet Bridget it's HERE!!! [Re: olias]
      #39624 - Sat Jul 07 2007 07:36 AM (64.252.70.195)

Interesting that you mentioned that.

I am not trying to give an answer, I have the same problem sometimes. Good point, and I await an answer to this!

I have noticed similar problems with the left hand matched but its not a big deal, when I wear my watch, the end of the stick clicks the band or without taps my wrist - sometimes.

I think you MUST set up a good mirror in front of you perpendicular to the floor so you see yourself straight on and also make sure your light is even so you see your hands in true balance (lamp overhead might help) so you can see what's going on. I should set this up to see why this is happening with me.

I have suspected that this might come from the relationship to the height (and angle of the surface and its direction from your body, in some cases) with your striking zone and also how far lower the height of your wrist is in relationship to the height of the elbow.

If you check out the Buddy Rich book from the past (Henry Adler written) with the matched grip hand the wrist is at relative height 2 inches lower than the elbow. You shouldn't be reaching up to strike the surface (office and typing ergonomics dicates pretty much the same thing, keyboard heights are lower than a desk surface height for similar ergonomic reasons)

On first quick run through the DVD, my impression is that Tiger has explained the basics very well and with focus. It makes you focus on the principles. I think a few nit picks are deliberately left out as if you follow it, things will fall in naturally. Like the place on the index finger where the stick touches. Some techniques demand that you have the stick in the first joint and the stick never touches the palm. I think this dictate just adds to the students problems, I am comfortable with the stick vaguely to the second joint, and I try to favor the middle finger fulcrum somewhat, but that is advanced from what Tiger is showing us. If you concentrate on the first exercises with the full stroke and study tigers hands, it isn't an issue- relaxed grip. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

So I second the question and the problem. Thanks for mentioning that.

What is the answer?

- Jerry


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Re: Sweet Bridget it's HERE!!! [Re: olias]
      #39627 - Sat Jul 07 2007 03:58 PM (69.34.61.221)

The problem you describe is usually caused by improper stick balance. That is, you're leaving too much tail on the butt end of the stick!

Review my chapter on Stick Balance and let me know.

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olias
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Re: stick balance [Re: TigerBill]
      #39630 - Sat Jul 07 2007 10:17 PM (64.185.20.228)

Thanks! I guess I rushed through the stick balance section a bit too fast in my excitement to get to the lessons. I went back and worked on it a bit and am no longer slapping my wrist.

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Re: stick balance [Re: olias]
      #39632 - Sun Jul 08 2007 06:37 AM (85.210.28.187)

Guess my q slipped through the net. Will the dvd be available in the UK?

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Re: stick balance [Re: Pywacket]
      #39633 - Sun Jul 08 2007 09:30 AM (209.217.195.23)

Bear45, You seem to have more questions then can be answered by the internet or a DVD. You should really seek a qualified teacher. Any qualified teacher can help you with these things. Good luck!!!!

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Re: stick balance [Re: Pywacket]
      #39642 - Mon Jul 09 2007 11:17 AM (65.41.95.116)

Quote:

Will the dvd be available in the UK?



It is available right now. It ships anywhere in the world through my Online Drum Shop and is playable in all DVD regions.


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Re: stick balance [Re: TigerBill]
      #39644 - Mon Jul 09 2007 12:44 PM (81.178.208.67)

Thank you Bill. I'll place my order this week!

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Re: stick balance [Re: Pywacket]
      #39647 - Mon Jul 09 2007 05:20 PM (219.88.26.43)

Well, the DVD arrived yesterday, and the heavens opened - a good excuse to stay inside and watch it!
I liked the detailed explanations of the full/half/low strokes, this was good to review for me (having learned these from the descriptions on this site).
I was particularly interested in the finger control part - this is one thing I need to bring 'up to speed' as it were.
By the time the next dvd is out, I should be getting there!
A job well done Bill, can't wait for the next one now!


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