awfulldrummer
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i'm interested in a flat ride. there aren't any in my local store to compare with a regular one. opinions and thoughts anyone.
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Gus Kund
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Flat rides have a delicate and soft sound. They will only get so loud. You can not play a flat ride loud. Think of a acoustic piano. It will not over power it.
You can really lay into it and never cover up anyone.
Not good for rock or anything amplified .
Great for a small jazz combo .
Great in the studio.
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Stuart
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Try www.cymbalsonly.com as a very useful site for sound files of cymbals
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James Walker
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Gus basically nailed it in his description. The only thing I'd add is, the stick definition won't get covered by the wash of the cymbal, the way it would in a standard-bell ride - making it great for very fast, clean ride work. Check out a recording of Pat Metheny's "First Circle" for an example of this sort of application.
(Another great jazz recording featuring a flat: Roy Haynes on Chick Corea's "Now He Sings, Now He Sobs.")
FWIW, here's a recent sound file demonstrating one of my flats: a 20" Sabian HH "Flat Bell Ride" -
http://www.malletjazz.com/cymbals/sabian_hh_flat/sabian_hh_20_flat.mp3
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awfulldrummer
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thank you Gus for your perfect discription.thanks Stuart excellent site. and thanks James awesome sound file, loved your cymbal! you guys told me exactly what i needed to know. now i really want a flat ride even more.
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Ratamatatt
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Flat rides not only don't have a bell, they don't have any bow to them. They're flat. So, they are structurally weaker, much more plyable, and, therefore, absorb most of the energy delivered to them by wobbling rather than projecting it back out in the form of sound.
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James Walker
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Well...there's no one shape to "flat rides," of course, but neither of mine is perfectly flat - there is a bow to each of them. It may not be as pronounced as in other "belled" rides (although I've seen some "umbrella" shaped flats posted online), but it's usually there, in my experience at least. As always, YMMV.
I find it interesting, that my Sabian flat is marked as a "Flat Bell Ride" - apparently referring to the fact that the bell area specifically is flat.
(Although, somewhere, I do recall seeing photos of at least one true FLAT flat ride on the market - with no visible bow. If I remember the manufacturer, or find pictures, I'll post them here.)
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roger strange
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Paiste. The original flat rides. I've had two of them in the past. Both were flat as plates. I've had both the 2002 early flat ride and also the prototype 602 flat ride. Both when they first came out. Flat. However, the term flat ride really comes from the sound. They didn't build they just opened and stayed there no matter how soft or hard you hit them. You get more stick impact from those than you do wash.
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awfulldrummer
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wow this is great! i didn't know much about flat rides before i was just interested in one thinking one would have an interesting sound. i knew i would get some insight from all of you here at this forum. so now i figure there's a lot more about them than one person could tell. thanks to everyone for all of this awesome info, keep 'em coming.
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Ratamatatt
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Quote:
Well...there's no one shape to "flat rides," of course, but neither of mine is perfectly flat - there is a bow to each of them. It may not be as pronounced as in other "belled" rides (although I've seen some "umbrella" shaped flats posted online), but it's usually there, in my experience at least. As always, YMMV.
I find it interesting, that my Sabian flat is marked as a "Flat Bell Ride" - apparently referring to the fact that the bell area specifically is flat.
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(Although, somewhere, I do recall seeing photos of at least one true FLAT flat ride on the market - with no visible bow. If I remember the manufacturer, or find pictures, I'll post them here.)
My description wasn't as precise as it should have been. I should have said - generally little if any bow, and little if any peak between center and edge! How's that? 
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