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Stuart
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The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship
      #42879 - Mon Jul 07 2008 10:23 PM (203.55.210.10)

A few weeks ago I was asked by my teacher if I could find a copy of Dave Tough's "Advanced Paradiddles". It was a book he had used as a youth and he had a hankering for it.
Well the search turned into something like the National Treasure movie.

No luck on Ebay, nothing from Amazon or any of their second hand affliates.. the closest I could get was an image of the from cover on Drmmerworld.com
Now this book had one edition and was last printed in 1947 so I didn't think I could find it too easily.
I posted on a couple of forums that have a large vintage following and eventually I had one drummer come back to me from vintagedrumforum.com
He took up the challenge and searched online library catelogues. Found two copies in the Library of Congress and started to organise an interlibrary loan through his college so he could send me a copy.
I have to say it gave me a warm fuzzy feeling about the world, good people and fellow drummers going that extra mile to help out another druummer that the've never met, don't know and is on the other side of the world.
Various other drummers chipped in with other clues and eventually we found a copy in a University library in Aust (only 1,000 miles from me but a whole lot closer than I thought possible)
I check with my local municipal library and they were willing to try and get an interlibrary transfer for me (they apologised that it was $15 and that their share of that was $2)
So the book arrived today, 102 pages of paradiddles exercises and I get to make a friend happy!
How good is the internet, how valuable is drumming forums and especially the the fellowship of drummers that makes possible the tracking down of an obscure book that's 61 years old possible.
Sometimes the world is a better place than I give it credit for.

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have fun play drum
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Reged: Feb 01 2005
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Re: The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship [Re: Stuart]
      #42880 - Tue Jul 08 2008 08:42 AM (68.103.121.210)

Cool story, and tell us what you think of it. Good luck.

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777Drum
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Re: The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship [Re: Stuart]
      #42881 - Tue Jul 08 2008 08:46 AM (70.129.54.128)

It really is amazing to see how, in such a short time, the internet has changed the planet. A new form of communication with such a massive scope, most now could not imagine life without it. The greatest library in the world, in your house or anywhere with a laptop.

777

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Flam Master Flash
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Re: The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship [Re: 777Drum]
      #42883 - Tue Jul 08 2008 12:29 PM (64.91.55.253)

Not to mention the days of our lives we've spent while using it.

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roger strange
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Re: The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship [Re: Flam Master Flash]
      #42884 - Tue Jul 08 2008 03:50 PM (24.89.250.141)

That of course is the way the Internet should be used. As always it takes the drummers in this World to show how technology can be used in a good way. Kind of makes you want to go find all these little grotty hackers that use the Net for their grubby purposes and scragg them all by their nasty measley little necks. Sorry about the rant cats but as we all know. Drummers love to share. They are about the only instrumentalists as a body that do this. We always did. It's about the tradition of the drum that has come down to us as set players from antiquity.

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awfulldrummer
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Re: The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship [Re: roger strange]
      #42888 - Wed Jul 09 2008 08:19 AM (24.60.138.238)

that's a great story Stuart, be sure and tell us how he likes it! and Roger that is what's great about drummers.

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roger strange
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Re: The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship [Re: awfulldrummer]
      #42891 - Wed Jul 09 2008 01:41 PM (24.89.252.51)

When I started playing for a living at 14 on the road in the 50s I had to rely on the experience of older cats playing the same town as I was. They never let me down. As a matter of fact they got to know when I was in their town or playing through the same area and would come and look me up to talk drumming and show me stuff.
Although things have changed a bit these days because some cats who have "careers" going in the business are pretty crusty and full of ego, there are still cats out there who will just rap about drumming and how to handle yourself in the Music. When I started teaching back a few decades ago I made sure I handled the distinction between cats that studied with me and those who needed to know something but weren't coming to me. So many cats who teach drumming today cannot make that distinction and won't take the time to just rap about drumming for drumming's sake. I guess they feel that they should always be making a buck off their knowledge or something. It doesn't work like that. Not in the real World. All people who sit behind a kit or play on something percussively are drummers. It's just that some of us have been doing it longer and can pass on what we know that works to other fellow drummers and drumettes. I've always kept in mind how I was treated by a load of very kind and patient older drum brothers and sisters and made sure I do the same thing now to others. That is what drumming is really all about and the right use of the Internet is just part of all that. That's the real heart of drums and drumming. Not the how great thou art stuff. What goes around, comes around and how we treat each other as sibling players will always come back to us good or bad. Any who put down the ideology of a brother/sister hood of drumming are in my books dogs in the manger. We have to share what we know to keep this young craft of drum set playing evolving. After all the drum set per se didn't really happen until 1936 and the instrument and those who play it are still basically all in an infancy when compared to other instruments around. We are still a very fluid and growing craft here and for anyone to hold stuff to themselves as far as helping fellow players is really a sad thing. I always think back to those fine players that took the time to help me out as a kid and realize that they were and are the core of the Spirit of the drum. They helped me by honing a precious skill and gift and by doing so became precious gifts themselves.
After all, you use many less facial muscles to smile than to scowl. So I smile, hand stuff on and see that there are still many others who think the same way as I do. When they say the Joy of Drumming they know they are saying.

Edited by roger strange (Wed Jul 09 2008 01:47 PM)


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TigerBillAdministrator
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Re: The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship [Re: roger strange]
      #42892 - Wed Jul 09 2008 07:20 PM (71.48.185.110)

Hey Stuart - Great story. The Net is a wonderful place. I love it. Even though you have to beware of those who are "out to get you" that part of it is really no different than the "real" world. The Net is the reason that we drumheads from all over the world get to hang out here 24/7 and talk about the things we love best!

Your story hit a soft spot with me because that book was one of my favorites when I first started taking lessons, a couple of years back. So I dug it out of my collection and I laughed when I saw the cover price. 102 pages for a big $2.00!

BTW: The inside story on the book is that was Davey Tough's in name only. Bill West actually wrote it.

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awfulldrummer
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Re: The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship [Re: TigerBill]
      #42893 - Wed Jul 09 2008 11:11 PM (24.60.138.238)

hey Roger, the only issue i have with passing on my knowledge(which i do try to do) is i'm afraid i'm not saying it correctly. i'm afraid my info is wrong or isn't the best.

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Stuart
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Re: The Power of the Net and Drumming Fellowship [Re: TigerBill]
      #42894 - Wed Jul 09 2008 11:23 PM (203.55.210.10)

Tigerbill... you had it in your collection and I never thought to ask on this forum.. I should have stuck to this forum (which I think of homebase).
I had the same discussion regarding Bill West actually being the author.. last night when I handed the book over to my teacher. Both he and his wife thought it was just special to get a copy again.

I also laughed at the cover of my copy. Mine is slightly different as it was only authorised for sales in "The British Empire (excluding Canada)" and had a sticker price of 2 shillings..
My next book finding challenge will be a copy of Chapins (or is it Morello's?) Open Ended.. the one with the template that changes the exercises.. but that'll be a story for an other day.
I had a go at the first half dozen pages last night. Looks eay at first glance, but once you increase the tempo a bit it challenges stickings that I am used two and I'll empty my head and just let go when playing these.

Cheers to all

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