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Socialized medicine rocks!
      #46653 - Wed May 19 2010 02:34 AM (98.197.128.122)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2978052/Toilet-brush-blunder-death.html

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46654 - Wed May 19 2010 03:43 AM (66.176.194.227)

And now for something completely different, a dose of reality. American capitalist medicine is the most expensive medicine in the world. Americans spend almost 20% of their GDP (gross domestic product) on medicine. That is, almost one out of every 5 dollars spent in America is for medicine.

And what do we get for this gargantuan investment:

(1) Medical care in America is the third leading cause of death. Over 300,000 Americans are killed every year from medical treatment. Only heart attacks (over 500,000), and cancer (over 350,000) cause more deaths in America than medicine. The three deadliest elements of American medicine are (a) FDA approved drugs, (b) hospital acquired infections and (c) medical malpractic. Death caused by FDA approved drugs, alone, in the 4th leading cause of death in America. Approximately, 110,000 people are killed by FDA approved drugs every year. This only include deaths that occur in hospitals, not in the community, and does not include misdosing, misdiagnosing or misprescribing. In other words, your doctor gives you a prescription for an FDA approved drug, in the correct dose, for the indicated reason, AND IT KILLS YOU, is the 4th leading cause of death. This also does not include approximately 2 million serious non-fatal adverse drug reactions every year in America. Hospital acquired infections (typically MRSA infections), kill over 100,000 Americans every year. Medical malpractice kills just under 100,000 Americans every year. And this does not include non-fatal injuries resulting from medical malpractice.

(2) Medical bills are the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in America. More people file for personal bankruptcy in America THAN FOR ALL OTHER REASONS COMBINED!

(3) The World Health Organization ranks the U.S. medical system 37th in the world in terms of the overall health of its citizens including such factors as live expectancy, preventable death and cost.

(4) The U.S. is the ONLY industrialized country in the world that does not have universal medical care.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled wingnut wank-o-rama!


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46661 - Wed May 19 2010 10:43 AM (129.42.208.182)

The example shown in the link has nothing to do with 'socialized medicine'; you can find incompetence in any kind of health system.. and don't listen to any of those idiot right-wing republicans who think they know anything about Canada's health system - they don't! Some of the ridiculous nonsense that wafts over the border from some of those nutjobs is nothing more than vote-buying mis-information. For the record, the national health care system up here works very well - for everyone.
Obama is on the right track - Palin should be put on one that leads out of the country! What a total dufus she is! Why do some think that the most important job in the country should be held by someone who is totally unqualified, uneducated, and basically not the sharpest tool in the shed?


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Tea Bag]
      #46663 - Wed May 19 2010 02:07 PM (24.60.138.238)

Palin is a political celebrity, i don't think she's a "dufus", she's just heading to be a talking head. a female Rush.

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Tea Bag]
      #46674 - Thu May 20 2010 01:17 AM (76.30.191.202)

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The example shown in the link has nothing to do with 'socialized medicine'; you can find incompetence in any kind of health system.. and don't listen to any of those idiot right-wing republicans who think they know anything about Canada's health system - they don't! Some of the ridiculous nonsense that wafts over the border from some of those nutjobs is nothing more than vote-buying mis-information. For the record, the national health care system up here works very well - for everyone.
Obama is on the right track - Palin should be put on one that leads out of the country! What a total dufus she is! Why do some think that the most important job in the country should be held by someone who is totally unqualified, uneducated, and basically not the sharpest tool in the shed?




If Canada has such a great and efficient system, why do many Canadians come to the U.S. for medical care. Is it because they can be seen and treated right away? Are the stories of canadians being in a lottery pool to see who gets the next appointment with a doctor false? Is waiting 6 to 9 months for an MRI false? I watched a show where the Canadians interviewed were saying these things. After all, if your system is so great, why do any Canadians come here for medical procedures? By the way, Obama is a socialist and Palin is not. Socialism's end result is bankrupting the countries it serves. Looked at Greece lately? The U.S. through the IMF is giving these dumb bastards tons of money along with Germany and others to put a temporary fix on a failed system that doesn't work. Welcome to the land of dumb and dumber.

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46679 - Thu May 20 2010 07:01 AM (129.42.208.182)

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If Canada has such a great and efficient system, why do many Canadians come to the U.S. for medical care. Is it because they can be seen and treated right away?




This is a rare occurence - it's usually people that are desperate and willing to spend huge $$ for either a specialist that is tops in their field or some procedure that is not available here (which is also rare).

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Are the stories of canadians being in a lottery pool to see who gets the next appointment with a doctor false?




Absolutely FALSE - where are you getting that BS from?? Sounds like it's from Palin and her "death panels" lunacy. She's nuts.

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Is waiting 6 to 9 months for an MRI false?




Not true either.. it depends on need..Look if I need a doctor I can see my family doctor anytime, depending on his schedule I can usually get an appointment within the week (if not days). However if it's an immediate need, I can walk 5 minutes to the nearby walk-in clinic and see a doctor in less than an hour.

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I watched a show where the Canadians interviewed were saying these things. After all, if your system is so great, why do any Canadians come here for medical procedures?




If you look hard enough you can always find anomalies. I recall one person saying that on US news - and it turned out that the procedure they wanted was easily available in lot's of places in Canada..

I worked with a scientist from the US who actually moved to Canada in order to get free (or reasonably priced) universal healthcare as her family had a history of medical problems - and she would have eventually had to sell her house and declare bankruptcy... so it works both ways.

Look at the end of the day both US and Canada have first class health care systems.. the only difference is here everyone pays a bit through taxes; in the US it's through private health plans.. what we don't do is throw people out on the street if they can't afford a plan..

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By the way, Obama is a socialist and Palin is not. Socialism's end result is bankrupting the countries it serves. Looked at Greece lately? The U.S. through the IMF is giving these dumb bastards tons of money along with Germany and others to put a temporary fix on a failed system that doesn't work. Welcome to the land of dumb and dumber.




I'm not a socialist - far from it. No one wants government controlling everything; because they aren't capable.. but if you don't have a social safety net to catch those that are unfortunate, then what kind of society have you got? Hands down there are some things that government does better than private enterprise and vice versa. I get the impression that when you use the term 'socialism' you equate it with 'communism'..and a red under every bed Lol!
..and BTW - it's called Public Health Care; Socialized health care is a term the extreme right came up with to try to scare people into thinking the Russians are landing on your shores!

Greece is a basket case, as are several other European countries, as they swung the pendulum to far to the left.. the trick is to find the sweetspot where public and private enterprise do things that are best suited to each.


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Tea Bag]
      #46680 - Thu May 20 2010 07:56 AM (98.197.128.122)

Spare me the Palin hate mail. This gets so boring. In a way it's funny she scares so many liberals. You say no one wants government controlling everything? WRONG. The people in power here do. They want European socialism and much more. And by the way there have always been safety nets here, that's not what I'm talking about.

I think you're wrong on how many Canadians come here for medical treatment. Perhaps we should both do a bit more research. I doubt the canadians I saw were lying.

I didn't say you were a socialist. I said Obama is a socialist. You can call it public Health care and then blame the extreme right as you say for calling it what it is. Socialized medicine! Cute, but hardly new. And why is Greece a basket case? Because socialism doesn't work. I think you miss what the phonies in power really want. More power and control. that's their drug. They don't really give a s--t about anything else.

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46682 - Thu May 20 2010 10:38 AM (129.42.208.182)

There are tons of articles on the web harpooning some of the nonsense :

Here are a few:
http://trusted.md/blog/vreni_gurd/2009/0...s#axzz0oVU6rGpX

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/mythbusting-canadian-health-care-part-i

i.e., Canada's health care system is "socialized medicine."
False.
In socialized medical systems, the doctors work directly for the state. In Canada (and many other countries with universal care), doctors run their own private practices, just like they do in the US. The only difference is that every doctor deals with one insurer, instead of 150. And that insurer is the provincial government, which is accountable to the legislature and the voters if the quality of coverage is allowed to slide.

The proper term for this is "single-payer insurance." In talking to Americans about it, the better phrase is "Medicare for all."


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Tea Bag]
      #46683 - Thu May 20 2010 01:00 PM (66.176.194.227)

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Absolutely FALSE - where are you getting that BS from?? Sounds like it's from Palin and her "death panels" lunacy. She's nuts.




LMAO! Fox Noise, Jaba the Limbaugh, Glenn Dreck, Pawn Hannity . . . etc., etc., all of the wingnut talking heads parrot the same squawking points from the same script. The main stream media in America is pure corporatist propaganda.


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46684 - Thu May 20 2010 01:02 PM (66.176.194.227)

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Spare me the Palin hate mail. This gets so boring. In a way it's funny she scares so many liberals. You say no one wants government controlling everything? WRONG. The people in power here do. They want European socialism and much more. And by the way there have always been safety nets here, that's not what I'm talking about.

I think you're wrong on how many Canadians come here for medical treatment. Perhaps we should both do a bit more research. I doubt the canadians I saw were lying.

I didn't say you were a socialist. I said Obama is a socialist. You can call it public Health care and then blame the extreme right as you say for calling it what it is. Socialized medicine! Cute, but hardly new. And why is Greece a basket case? Because socialism doesn't work. I think you miss what the phonies in power really want. More power and control. that's their drug. They don't really give a s--t about anything else.




Another verbatim quote plagiarized from Fox Noise!

The republicans want corporate, fascist, feudalism for America. When our elections are moot because corporations have all of the money and power, when the middle class in America is wiped out and wages are so low that Mexicans are better of staying in Mexico, when the air and water in America is as safe to breath and drink as it is in Mexico City, when the shores on all three coasts are spoiled with tar, THEN the republican plan for America and the Bush family's New World Order will have been fully implemented.

The only way the people can defend themselves from the corporatocracy is by their collective power through the government. It's just like organized labor and collective bargaining. Without the unions, laborers are powerless against the corporatocracy. That's why the corporatocracy spent billions corrupting the government in order to deregulate the media so that they could consolidate and controle the main stream media. Once they accomplished that, they spend billions on propaganda disparaging the government, brainwashing the weak and stupid in to thinking that their only protection - the government, is there enemy. It's classic divide and conquer.

The fact is that the power of the government to regulate commerce and protect the public from the abuses of capitalism has been all but dismantled over the past 30 years. But, 777Dumb wouldn't know anything about that. He didn't hear it of Fox Noise.

As for Greece, it's in trouble because of capitalist corruption and abuse. Socialism works very well in Greece and everywhere else that capitalism is kept on the straight and narrow, where it belongs.

Find that in the main stream media, wingnut!


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Tea Bag]
      #46685 - Thu May 20 2010 01:14 PM (66.176.194.227)

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There are tons of articles on the web harpooning some of the nonsense :

Here are a few:
http://trusted.md/blog/vreni_gurd/2009/0...s#axzz0oVU6rGpX

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/mythbusting-canadian-health-care-part-i

i.e., Canada's health care system is "socialized medicine."
False.
In socialized medical systems, the doctors work directly for the state. In Canada (and many other countries with universal care), doctors run their own private practices, just like they do in the US. The only difference is that every doctor deals with one insurer, instead of 150. And that insurer is the provincial government, which is accountable to the legislature and the voters if the quality of coverage is allowed to slide.

The proper term for this is "single-payer insurance." In talking to Americans about it, the better phrase is "Medicare for all."




Fox Noise: "Canada has socialized medicine."
777Dumb: "Squawk, Canada has socialized medicine, Canada has socialized medicine, Canada has socialized medicine, squaaaaaaaaaawk!"

Canada has socialized medical insurance which works much, much better than capitalist medical insurance. 777Dumb can't distinguish between the two.


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46689 - Thu May 20 2010 02:15 PM (24.60.138.238)

my only problem with the medical reform and any bill is by time our government gets done with the bills, they're so complicated. even if it starts off simple and with good intentions.

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: awfulldrummer]
      #46691 - Thu May 20 2010 03:22 PM (66.176.194.227)

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my only problem with the medical reform and any bill is by time our government gets done with the bills, they're so complicated. even if it starts off simple and with good intentions.




Wouldn't eliminating the 65 year age limit for Medicare be simple enough? Medicare Part E (everyone).


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46694 - Thu May 20 2010 04:09 PM (24.60.138.238)

"Medicare Part E (everyone)"

explain please?


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46695 - Fri May 21 2010 12:27 AM (76.30.191.202)

The only way the people can defend themselves from the corporatocracy is by their collective power through the government. It's just like organized labor and collective bargaining. Without the unions, laborers are powerless against the corporatocracy. That's why the corporatocracy spent billions corrupting the government in order to deregulate the media so that they could consolidate and controle the main stream media. Once they accomplished that, they spend billions on propaganda disparaging the government, brainwashing the weak and stupid in to thinking that their only protection - the government, is there enemy. It's classic divide and conquer.

The fact is that the power of the government to regulate commerce and protect the public from the abuses of capitalism has been all but dismantled over the past 30 years. But, 777Dumb wouldn't know anything about that. He didn't hear it of Fox Noise.

As for Greece, it's in trouble because of capitalist corruption and abuse. Socialism works very well in Greece and everywhere else that capitalism is kept on the straight and narrow, where it belongs.
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Someone woke Garafalo ! He's got a corporatocracy tick. Yes capitalism is to blame for the woes of Greece! Jeez...could you be more ignorant?

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46697 - Fri May 21 2010 02:07 AM (24.60.138.238)

777, i like reading your arguements with Rat. you're both intelligent people with opposite views. please leave the name calling out. i know you enjoy provoking each other. but it gets grade school in here, which makes it harder to understand the points. i love politics and i really enjoy these threads. i'm not as informed as both you and Rat are so i learn a lot from the two of you. i do lean to the right on things but Rat does provoke thought. sense you mentioned Janeane Garofalo i've always like the movies she's been in!

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46698 - Fri May 21 2010 02:43 AM (66.176.194.227)

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The only way the people can defend themselves from the corporatocracy is by their collective power through the government. It's just like organized labor and collective bargaining. Without the unions, laborers are powerless against the corporatocracy. That's why the corporatocracy spent billions corrupting the government in order to deregulate the media so that they could consolidate and controle the main stream media. Once they accomplished that, they spend billions on propaganda disparaging the government, brainwashing the weak and stupid in to thinking that their only protection - the government, is there enemy. It's classic divide and conquer.

The fact is that the power of the government to regulate commerce and protect the public from the abuses of capitalism has been all but dismantled over the past 30 years. But, 777Dumb wouldn't know anything about that. He didn't hear it of Fox Noise.

As for Greece, it's in trouble because of capitalist corruption and abuse. Socialism works very well in Greece and everywhere else that capitalism is kept on the straight and narrow, where it belongs.
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Someone woke Garafalo ! He's got a corporatocracy tick. Yes capitalism is to blame for the woes of Greece! Jeez...could you be more ignorant?




OK, you're right, gaint multinational corporations care about you. They have your best interest at heart. All they want to do is make you rich, and keep you safe, and free. You must have such a sense of comfort knowing that Raytheon, Citibank, Exxon, Dupont, Northrop Grumman, Goldman Sachs, Blackwater, Bechtel and Haliburton have your back.

Janeane Garofalo has more knowledge and wisdom in her little finger than you have in your whole family!


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46705 - Fri May 21 2010 12:22 PM (98.197.128.122)

As for Greece, it's in trouble because of capitalist corruption and abuse. Socialism works very well in Greece and everywhere else that capitalism is kept on the straight and narrow, where it belongs.

Find that in the main stream media, wingnut!

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Ah, the useful idiot figured out the Greece problem. Capitalist corruption! Brilliant! Socialism works well in Greece! Brilliant! Mind boggling..perception rodent!

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46712 - Sat May 22 2010 05:43 AM (66.176.194.227)

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As for Greece, it's in trouble because of capitalist corruption and abuse. Socialism works very well in Greece and everywhere else that capitalism is kept on the straight and narrow, where it belongs.

Find that in the main stream media, wingnut!

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Ah, the useful idiot figured out the Greece problem. Capitalist corruption! Brilliant! Socialism works well in Greece! Brilliant! Mind boggling..perception rodent!




So, having no idea what he's talking about, AGAIN, having nothing of substance, or rebuttal to the truth about American medicine or Canadian medicine to offer, then resorting to hijacking his own thread and then being utterly unable to back up his unsupported Fox Noise talking point about Greece, the uninformed, far right wing troll is reduced to name calling, AGAIN, after accusing others of name calling.

This pattern is a tell tail sign of a Fox Noise junky!


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46716 - Sat May 22 2010 07:57 AM (98.197.128.122)

Hmmmm Fox News...wait a minute rodent....That's the #1 most watched cable news network! How are ratings at your msnbc? Are you one of the 5 that watch? Cool....

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46723 - Sun May 23 2010 05:58 AM (66.176.194.227)

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Hmmmm Fox News...wait a minute rodent....That's the #1 most watched cable news network! How are ratings at your msnbc? Are you one of the 5 that watch? Cool....




Again, you have absolutely nothing of substance to contribute to your own thread, or your hijack of your own thread. I excoriated your spoon fed, corporate fascist, Fox Noise premise about medicine. Tea Bag excoriated your spoon fed, corporate fascist Fox Noise premise about Canadian medicine. And in response, you have absolutely nothing to offer because Fox Noise hasn't told you what to say in the face of actual facts. So, pathetically, you try to change the subject in your own thread, and I excoriate you again. And in response to that, you engage in the last refuge of a wingnut, you are reduced to name calling. But nothing you actually had the creativity to think of yourself. Nope, you resort to the familiar pattern of the brainwashed wingnut, you parrot Fox Noise's name calling.

You're an internet troll. You have no idea what you're talking about. You adopt the propaganda of the corporatocracy as your own, and regurgitate that in place of actual personal, reasoned thought. At lease awfuldrummer is man enough to admit when he doesn't have information about a specific topic and demonstrates genuine curiosity and reasoned inquiry. Your posts are second hand corporatist, fascist, propaganda, and a waste of bandwidth.


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46724 - Sun May 23 2010 06:37 AM (98.197.128.122)

You're just wrong as usual. Everytime you write, most of it you just invent on the spot. It becomes even more crazy than your earlier works. You do seem to have a great fear of Fox News, by the way, the #1 most watched cable news network! You should start watching and maybe you could learn something. Hey I need a laugh, tell us again how Carter was such a great president and how the media is controlled by the right wing! Classic Rodent drivel!

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46733 - Mon May 24 2010 04:26 AM (66.176.194.227)

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You're just wrong as usual. Everytime you write, most of it you just invent on the spot. It becomes even more crazy than your earlier works. You do seem to have a great fear of Fox News, by the way, the #1 most watched cable news network! You should start watching and maybe you could learn something. Hey I need a laugh, tell us again how Carter was such a great president and how the media is controlled by the right wing! Classic Rodent drivel!




You're a liar and a troll! Go away!


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46736 - Mon May 24 2010 06:26 AM (98.197.128.122)

Again with name calling!

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46748 - Tue May 25 2010 01:29 AM (24.60.138.238)

you both call each other names lol.

how about we ask our doctors what they'd like? were any physicians consulted buy the senators and reps when they came up with the reform bill?


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: awfulldrummer]
      #46755 - Tue May 25 2010 10:20 AM (66.176.194.227)

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you both call each other names lol.

how about we ask our doctors what they'd like? were any physicians consulted buy the senators and reps when they came up with the reform bill?




Yes! They overwhelmingly supported the insurance reform bill signed by Obama, including the usually right wing AMA. And almost half of U.S. doctors support a single payer plan, as in Canada.

But, doctors and hospitals are a big part of the problem. The cost of medicine is ridiculous because it's blackmail. When you're sick, you don't shop around or wait for next years model - you pay. When you don't have the option to say NO, there is no "market," and the law of supply and demand has no effect.

Before the disaster of big business "managed care" (HMO's PPO'S etc.), greedy doctors charged outrageous fees kept all the outrageous profits for themselves. Now that big business is siphoning off all the profit, leaving doctors to take the crumbs that big business will pay them, all of a sudden doctors want change. I have no sympathy or respect for them. None!


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46760 - Wed May 26 2010 07:50 AM (98.197.128.122)

This is what I mean....the doctors did not overwhelmingly support the bill....that is just BS! And with a single payer system which is what they want and what will eventually happen THEN YOU HAVE NO MARKET AND ZERO CHOICES!

Greedy Doctors? Doctors in TX are now dumping medicare patients because they get paid 40% of the standard fee and they lose money! You just make crap up!

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46762 - Wed May 26 2010 07:57 AM (66.176.194.227)

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This is what I mean....the doctors did not overwhelmingly support the bill....that is just BS! And with a single payer system which is what they want and what will eventually happen THEN YOU HAVE NO MARKET AND ZERO CHOICES!

Greedy Doctors? Doctors in TX are now dumping medicare patients because they get paid 40% of the standard fee and they lose money! You just make crap up!




You have no idea what you're talking about. All you do is parrot Fox Noise squawking points. Go away, troll!

PS: For those not brainwashed by Fox Noise:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/19/aarp-ama-announce-support_n_506060.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3143...=22&sp=true

http://www.pnhp.org/


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46768 - Wed May 26 2010 08:46 AM (98.197.128.122)

Rodent, you're just brain dead. Hopefully you don't have children.

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #46778 - Thu May 27 2010 09:54 AM (66.176.194.227)

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Rodent, you're just brain dead. Hopefully you don't have children.




Weak, lightweight. I just smacked you down like the sissy you are. You started a thread and you can't hang. You've got nothing but brainwashed, right wing, republican, hate and bigotry.

Go away, troll!


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #46782 - Thu May 27 2010 11:55 PM (76.30.191.202)

You did nothing of the sort. You are a liar and just make things up. In a way, I feel sorry for you.

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #47013 - Sun Aug 15 2010 03:53 PM (173.212.92.82)

OK. Let's cut to the chase her. MRI waiting? All I know is that I needed one to figure out what was going on in my left shoulder from an injury un-related to drumming (automotive metal shops day gig in 2000). I got it on our health care system in 48 hours here in N.S. Canada (Keep in mind that the Provinces in Canada run the health systems in each Province and places like Alberta have tried to privatize their medical systems and basically they are the ones that have insane problems at times with wait periods and private costs).
Two days later I was under the knife getting a new supraspinitis tendon and it cost me zilch. The same un-related to drumming thing also took down my hands with trigger finger in all fingers in both hands. They had that sorted out in 6 months with surgery. My shoulders and hands work better than they ever have. Still cost me zilch. All I know is that I have always been looked after very quickly up here in Canada, and Tea Bag is right. I follow what's being said about our system in the States. Except for a very few isolated incidents, which can happen in any system anyway, all of what has been bandied around in the States about our system is either scare tactics, speculation or wishful thinking. We definitley don't have lotteries for patients here. That isn't even a Canadian way of thinking when it comes to health. We're actually spoiled up here as far as health care. Canadians thnk it is their God-Given right to have immediate attention over anything from a hang-nail to a bruised knee and they'll run for either the doctor or the out-patients at the hospital if they have a bad cold, let alone something serious. And our system here does its very level best to allow them to think that it is their God-Given right to have totally free health care (that also includes immigrants form the day they land here).
With me, not only did they spend (with the injuries I mention but others acquired through the same incident), about $500,000.00 putting me back together for specifically drumming, but they paid me what I would have lost in income while I was recuperating and also still pay at times for maintenance physio-therapy (which I really don't need almost ten years after it was all over), but it's their way of making sure that the work under my skin is still holding up. And I'm a musician for God's sake. Not even really classed as part of the mainstream work force.
I went out playing again as soon as I could even hold a stick in my hands, and they made sure that while I was healing I used Easton drum gloves, wrist braces, shoulder braces and Easton sticks, and paid for the whole lot on the health plan ticket. I also didn't pay a cent for any prescriptions I needed while recuperating. I'm back to un-braced shoulders, wrists and wood sticks of course now.
Also by the way since we are, here in N.S. fairly close to the U.S. border we get a steady flow of Americans every month coming here to buy their prescription drugs who own cottages around here. because they have established residence through the summer months our system pays for their prescriptions 100%. And while they are here, if something goes wrong our system pays for any medical of any kind.

Edited by roger strange (Sun Aug 15 2010 04:06 PM)


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: roger strange]
      #47051 - Sat Sep 25 2010 05:34 AM (66.176.194.227)

Let's see, Roger Strange, an actual Canadian, posts a real experience about how Canadian medicine works in the reality based World on August 15, 2010, and over 6 weeks later, 777Dumb, the Fox Noise parakete, seems to have eaten too many crackers to squawk. Hahahahahaha!

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #47059 - Sat Oct 02 2010 07:49 AM (70.51.246.53)

I'll echo what Roger was saying.. my 82 year old mother developed bad knees recently - so bad the right one was just rubbing bone against bone. Think 'pain' and hobbling around. In any case after looking at all of the options she decided the only real solution was a total knee replacement - a bionic knee. Once the decision was made she had the surgery done the next week! No waiting lines, no cost and by a very qualified, experienced specialist surgeon. The system does rock!

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Tea Bag]
      #47067 - Wed Oct 13 2010 08:49 AM (98.197.128.122)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahvnCBVXXU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-60jikyrB4

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: 777Drum]
      #47094 - Thu Nov 11 2010 08:30 AM (98.203.69.11)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahvnCBVXXU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-60jikyrB4




The truth? 777Dumb can't handle the truth!


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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: Ratamatatt]
      #47100 - Tue Dec 07 2010 05:27 AM (99.192.30.237)

I, like Roger, live in Canada, and am healthy thanks to a health care system that does not discriminate due to financial strength.

Period.

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Re: Socialized medicine rocks! [Re: DrumsUp]
      #47713 - Sun Feb 26 2012 04:13 PM (24.222.163.82)

You're going to love my latest brush with our Nova Scotian Canadain health system. I went down seriously with walking pneumonia back five weeks ago. Passed out on the floor, the works. My wife got me into her car, hauled me down to a walk in clinic in the South end of Halifax where within 15 minutes they had nailed down the problem, prescribed me an antibiotic which cost me 18 bucks which in two weeks killed the bug and got me on my feet and drumming again. On top of which they spotted a nasty little rash type thing on my back over my left shoulder blade, made me an appointment with my own G.P. immediately at his clinic which I went to pronto. When I got there I was seen within 15 minutes by not only my G.P. but also two cancer specialists, a heart specialist and a dietician. They grilled me through both prostate and colon cancer tests, gave my back rash a clean bill of health after tests and sent me home to recouperate from the whole thing after taking six phails of blood for tests. Cost me nothing, and the reports came back healthy "but needed to build back up the strength for drumming" within 24 hours. That's how our system works here boys and girls. I'm 72 this year and thanks to our system I am good to go and do what I do best. No long waits, all the right specialists were on me like spiders on a fly and I have four call backs to check me over in the next two months. Here they prize their performing artists and what they do. They are on us so fast that you don't even have time to turn around. Not only that, they treat you like a Human Being not some body to be processed. They all knew my name, called me by my first name, shook my hand and asked me how my wife was by name. They also know I teach kids and while they were running all over me they were asking how my kids were doing in drumming with me. They also checked the old surgeries from a few years ago with x-rays and scans and all the doctors and also the two nurses who saw me dropped by as I was leaving to go home and asked me to never be a stranger again at the clinic.
Give me a break, our system here in Nova Scotia works really well, it's worth every penny of the tax base it uses and there are more healthy people walking around here who would be on the scrap heap without it than you can shake a stick at. If we didn't have our system in place I would have paid close to $3,000.00 just for all the work they did on me last week. I paid exactly $18.00 for my meds and that was that.
Those that roll through to the States to get work done are either going for a certain procedure or have piles of money and in the end our system will in most cases transfer the money to U.S. private procedure clinics etc anyway. Hut for the normal Canadian the system more than fills any gaps and does a pretty thorough job. As Drums up syas it does not discriminate as far as social staus is concerned and as I said, there are many average Canadians living productive lives and conributing to the tax base because of our Health system across the country which does vary from Province to Province because as is mentioned above, each Province runs its own health system as it best suits the economic climate of the Province. And as is also mentioned above, in most cases those south of our border really have not the faintest idea of how Canada really runs anyway. They read a few biased reports and editorials about our system and run with those opinions. The fact is, no matter what the politics, our system is based on equal treatment for all Canadians across the board. It has been that way since the early 6ty0s and in some Provinces before that. We have had plenty of time to fine tune the Public Health system and also we do not have middle-man/woman hands in the form of politicians dipping their hands into the Public health system till. It's set up right!

Edited by roger strange (Sun Feb 26 2012 04:27 PM)


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