Gus Kund
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Reged: Mar 23 2002
Posts: 386
Loc: Calif
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expert village posted a video on how to do a press roll with bad advise, so I had to do a "correct" video response
Expert Village video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgREgO2kp2M&feature=related
My Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iadpm2cOnJo
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G.K.
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TigerBill
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Reged: Mar 11 2002
Posts: 1660
Loc: NJ
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Hey Gus - Good job. Thanks for correcting the out-right wrong "Expert Village" demo of a buzz roll. They should call their version a Tense Roll! BTW: Love your chop sticks, too! 
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roger strange
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Reged: Dec 09 2003
Posts: 1650
Loc: Nova Scotia Canada
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I did too by the way. The chop sticks I mean. And yes I'm glad someone caught that one because that cat on "expert village" was actually hurting me as I watched.
By the way. I will be off-line until September some time due to re-location issues. Have a good summer everyone
Edited by roger strange (Tue Jun 14 2011 11:05 AM)
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777Drum
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Reged: Feb 08 2006
Posts: 918
Loc: TX
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Great job! Good video. Many many years ago I took lessons from a well respected big band jazz drummer. At the time I went to a Roy Burns drum Clinic. The next lesson I had questions as Burns instructions on the buzz roll were the same as Gus shows on his. The Teacher got mad and yelled at me saying " Roy Burns is wrong!" In fairness, the teacher did not pitch the expert village example, rather a strong pressing of the stick with the fingers to get the buzz. While this is a valid technique and is used in higher sticking second line snare work usually for accents or a buzz drag note, it is not the same technique as getting a smooth sustained sound with the Gus Method of practice. This is most obvious when working on super quiet delicate sustained buzz roll.
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777Drum
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Reged: Feb 08 2006
Posts: 918
Loc: TX
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I quit taking lessons after the guy yelled at me. I realized years later he was a terrible teacher when it came to technique. Or he just didn't care...
One thing I notice, that is seldom covered or perhaps glossed over in relation to doubles and buzz rolls is the forearm lift. When the rolls get louder and faster the forearm becomes a major component as a lifter. This is seldom mentioned in most technique drum instructional videos.
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777Drum
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Reged: Feb 08 2006
Posts: 918
Loc: TX
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I should add as a footnote...The strong pressing of the fingers thing is not what I really find I do...This may have been more of a way of a guy trying to show his students a quick way to get the sound. I find I use a very slight middle finger rest pressure for higher strokes and the hand is very relaxed and loose.
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Tea Bag
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Reged: Sep 16 2004
Posts: 1423
Loc: Canada
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I've seen some players use both techniques.. and you can get a very smooth roll either way. But why kill yourself unecessarily? the difference to me is if you need to get volume the relaxed bounce technique is the only way to go.. you just can't get a lot of volume out of the 'press into the head technique' without straining.. you can get whisper quiet super smooth buzz rolls with a minimum of effort.. and you don't need to press it into the head.. it's more like little wrist circles and it's still relaxed.
Edited by Tea Bag (Fri Jun 17 2011 08:02 AM)
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