Tea Bag
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Back to my current favorite drummer - Steve Jordan. I was trying to figure out how he sometimes sounds like he's playing hihat patterns, riding the cymbal, whacking the snare and playing ghost notes all at the same time! Well.. on one site it lists his equipment - and it says he uses 17" Paiste hihat cymbals.. I'm sure he changes it around all the time as he seems like a connoisseur of awesome sounding equipment.. but it explains how sometimes his hihats sound like ride cymbals. Anyone else try oversized hat cymbals?
One cool shuffle pattern I came across by SJ - he plays a chirping shuffle on the hats with left hand, shuffle pattern on the ride and alternates the right with hitting the snare on the downbeat. Creates an awesome feel!
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roger strange
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Largest I've run to was a 16" bottom and a 15" top. That was a couple of decades ago and the hi-hat stands of the day couldn't take the heat of the heavy cymbals.
Edited by roger strange (Sun Sep 04 2011 09:05 AM)
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Tea Bag
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From video clips I've seen most of his hats look closer to 15-16" and they seem to have almost no cup underneath as they wobble and tip when he rides them.. but then again SJ can really smack those things at times.
I'm going to give it a go.. I have an old 15" Zildgan medium ride that I never use.. now I just need to find a compatable top cymbal.
Edited by Tea Bag (Tue Sep 06 2011 02:34 AM)
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pljones
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Mmm... Sizzle hi-hats? Or is that just getting silly?
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bongobrad
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I've used 18" crashes as hi hats, but only to mess around with, never to record or play out.
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Tea Bag
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Maybe I should go all the way and try slapping two giant Gongs together... although they'd have to come with a roadie.. and a small crane to open and close them!
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roger strange
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Well, I've seen some very varied items used on the hi-hat stand. Large cymbals, chinas top and bottom, the Bozzio spokes (hat cymbals mounted inside roto tom frames top and bottom), slightly bowed flat sound discs, sizzle hats, and pieces of iron etc as well as different sized cymbals such as 14&15, 13&15 etc. Done some of that myself actually. But in the end I've just gone back to 14" hats with a good solid robust sound and a great "sizz" sound. I'll experiment at times with lathed or non-lathed hats and hammered and not hammered and combinations of those cymbals. Some cats will use certain odd combinations to get certain sounds for certain projects or types of Music but you can be sure that the next time you see or hear them they are using pretty well a conventional setup. The one thing about us drummers is that most of us still realize that although the drum set is a full instrument and time keeper amongst other things, it is also still a sound effects device as well, and stand-out sounds are cool and sometimes necessary for certain projects.
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James Walker
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The largest hats I use are a set of 15" New Beats - love 'em to death, but they're definitely not radical by any stretch of the imagination.
I did have some fun at a recent orchestral gig, where I had to cover a number of section parts on kit, with a 26" bass drum and two 18" crash cymbals mounted on the hi-hat stand. Great fun - especially for the few seconds I got to do a bad Steve Jordan impersonation before one rehearsal  - but I don't know that I'll do much more along these lines. That's just me, tho - I seem to be entering a phase where I keep the gear choices more conventional, while exploring other areas of my playing.
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roger strange
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I was wondering when you would wde into this one. That's quite a nice old setup I must say. I do find the larer the hats the less they can be manipulated with sounds and tempos.
Like you I am pretty conventional these days with the hi-hat cymbals, although at this point I find even 15" cymbals a little unweildy for the stuff I do, when I do it these days. I tend to use 14" hats or at times 13" hats. And
although I have an x-hat setup I don't even use that much anymore. I just go with that good solid dymamic cast cymbal 14" lathed but non hammered A Zildjian sound most of the time. My go-to hats are a set of Zildjian New Beats from the 80s which I came across a while back as new old stock from a bankrupt retailer sale here. They seem to just do most of the stuff I do well.
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bongobrad
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I've been playing 14" new beats from the 80's since the 80's. I've tried others, but nothing compares.
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