Frank
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Last night was the first time I used my Roland TD6V kit for a practice. It will also be the last. The drums sound pretty good. The cymbals, not so much. 
I found myself beating the heck out of them, even though I know it was not going to make them get any louder. All I got was sore.
They are alright I guess for messing around at the house, but not for gigging. They just don't cut it. j.m.o.
Maybe the newer kits are better? I have had this one for a while.
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DrumsUp
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When I use electronic kits for recording, I prefer to use my Sabian cymbals instead of the pads. There are far too many variables with cymbals to try to duplicate them in a pad in my opinion. Also, electronic modules can fail, leaving the band effectively without a drummer. Like you said Frank, the pads are good for practising, but I'm not sure I want to rely on them for a live gig.
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Tea Bag
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I have a Roland TD-10 which is supposed to be qualty.. but I'd never use them live or even practicing with a band; they're not fun tp play.. more frustrating than anything.. just can't get the sound or the feel.. it's always just a 'canned' approximation of real drums. and they have no prescense outside of the speaker sound field....and a glitch can stop a band in its tracks! Good for practicing or as a leaning tool.. but live - naw! even recorded demos sound fake to me.. some pepol don't notice but I can spot e-drums on a recording pretty fast..
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pljones
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Not all samples are created equal. Nor do many drummers set their e-kits up too well - I'm not sure whether all kits are particularly sensitive, either: I hear so many people playing with no variation in dynamics.
Anyway... see what you think.
In London, unless you're in an acoustically treated environment, there's no real option.
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Edited by pljones (Sat Oct 22 2011 09:40 AM)
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Frank
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I have had them for a few years, so I figured why not try them once. At least it was a learning experience.
No matter what I tried, all I could hear over the band was the sound of my sticks whacking off the pads. The harder I hit the louder the whack. mainly the ride and crash. (or lack there of) My forearms are still sore.
Oh well, live and learn.
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Frank
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Pljones, I did listen to some of your stuff! 
It's pretty good. 
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roger strange
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Been there. done that , worn the braces and done the swearing. Good for playing at four in the morning in the house with earphones etc but it's a different instrument, not necessarily drums, just drum-like in operation. I've tried to like and love them etc. It just doesn't work for me either. I think probably with a whomping P.A. and a killer monitor they might be alright in a pinch. I've been known to use bits and pieces of good samples on a few pads in sessions but I've never risked my sound on stage live. I do know that you have to really watch your technique on those pads and play very very loose handed or as Tiger says, tension free. You really have to use a Moeller based approach when you are playing those things. I've known cats who have messed up their Achilles tendons in the ankles pretty badly on those things in live performance when using doubles. I love my accoustic and very real drums and certainly don't mind the lugging of gear. After all I've essentially been hauling drums of all makes and sizes on and off stages etc for over 50 years I guess. I won't even get into the lack of cymbal sound and feel on those things.
Give me good B20 anywhere, anytime. Shoot the pads with a shotgun, 10 guage preferred. Feel free to fault me for being old fashioned, traditionalist, retro, what ever you want. I'm a drummer and I play real drums and real cymbals.
Edited by roger strange (Sat Oct 22 2011 01:54 PM)
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Frank
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Roger, all I have to say is,  We don't have a thumbs up to give you as far as I can tell. 
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Edited by Frank (Sat Oct 22 2011 08:10 PM)
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pljones
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I have had them for a few years, so I figured why not try them once. At least it was a learning experience.
No matter what I tried, all I could hear over the band was the sound of my sticks whacking off the pads. The harder I hit the louder the whack. mainly the ride and crash. (or lack there of) My forearms are still sore.
Oh well, live and learn.
That sounds like you didn't set the level in the mix in your headphones high enough. With an e-kit, you really need good isolating headphones and your own mix (leaving the house sound to whoever's running the house mixing desk). That way you can keep turning everyone else down until you can hear yourself, then the overall level up until you can't hear your sticks, all without bothering front of house. If your module's audio in only gets mixed into the headphone out (or can be set that way), that makes it easier, as you don't need a separate mixer.
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Pljones, I did listen to some of your stuff!
It's pretty good.
Thanks - all live jamming (over the internet with the wonders of modern technology), so you win some, you lose some... But it does mean I'm lucky that I only have the mix in my 'phones to deal with and the sound of my sticks, nothing else going on. Getting decent isolating 'phones can be expensive! It is weird to be in a "loud" jam and hear next door jangling something against the wall... I guess that means I've not got the level in the 'phones too high...
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I think probably with a whomping P.A. and a killer monitor they might be alright in a pinch.
The recommended PA is a full range "piano" set up, something like a Yamaha Stagepas 300 is a minimum. I'm using some Technics RP-F350 headphones, which work nicely for me but aren't isolating, so would be no good live.
In passing, here's some pros at work (selling stuff - so apologies if this shouldn't be here): http://www.alternatemode.com/videos_trapkat.shtml
(Personally, I don't rate the samples used here that highly.)
Edited by pljones (Sat Oct 22 2011 09:47 PM)
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Frank
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I wasn't running it through a mixer. Direct into a powered p.a. speaker "Mackie Thump" that was right next to me. The drums were plenty loud, just not the cymbals. The speaker has an equalizer on it, but it didn't make much of a difference. Just couldn't bring out the ride or crash enough to be heard.
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Edited by Frank (Sun Oct 23 2011 06:34 AM)
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