roger strange
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Reged: Dec 09 2003
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Loc: Nova Scotia Canada
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Ratamattat:
I know what you can pay for thoise kits if they are market as a holy grail. Fact is around here it's just another old kit of drums. Also the fact is that except for a few collectors the drummers are lookig basically in older kits ofr a second semi-beater kit for downtown and dance hall playing while they leave their high end modern kits at home.
Older kits are also basically "student fodder" around here.
I don't get the high prices on older gear either excpet things like Amati and strad violins and the upright basses made at the turn of the 1800s mostly in Checkoslovakia.
Drum engineering and design as wel as materials today are so much better built than they were even back in the 60s. You can get any sound you want out of a new kit if you know what you're doing and the hardware is better built. However, there will always be a collectors' market and people willing to spend big bucks on older stuff. Part of our society I guess.
Who the heck wants to get an older kit that the parts are hard to obtian for when companies like Pearl with their Mahogany bop kits (Billy Hart), GMS, Sonor and many other companies make brand new good hardwared kits for that genre and Aquarian make the heads that give that sound.
Edited by roger strange (Tue Feb 16 2010 01:47 PM)
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Neil_Gray
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What do you think of the idea that wood on older drum kits has settled like an old violin or standup bass, Roger? I definitely see your point with the hardware.
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rogerkelly
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Reged: Nov 21 2011
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Loc: London, England
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hello
sorry, i have to make a correction. john grey was never anything to do with premier. the brand was originally started by barnett samuel and taken over by rose morris in the early 30's.
autocrat drums were actually marketed to professional musicians as orchestral instruments and are (before 1960) simply spectacular quality. for the last 5 years they came down market in quality and targeted the younger group drummers. the way to tell? 60's kits have 5 lugs on the tom and slim, single point mounted lugs on the snare. there are many subtle differences too but that is the main way to tell.
please take a look here for vintage UK info: http://ukdrums.weebly.com
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roger strange
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Neil, your question about "older wood" etc. Well it's a selling point for marketers of older drums to collectors etc. However, especially the ply drums of old I have found that the glues in most cases start to granulate and there's many an older kit I have taken a hypo full of glue to and used clamps to get the plies to re-attach to each other.
I also know that I can make "modern" drums sound vintage for recording or retro-music of any type very quickly with the right heads and stick tips. I know that in my case, if I suddenly had a pocket full of money to spend on drums, the last thing I'd do is go after stuff from decades gone by. No offense to the collectors and lovers of older tubs, but I've played a pile of kits through my career and if I never see older drums from the time I was young it will be too soon. Mind you, I have a beautiful little six lug poplar shell Premier/Olympic snare sitting here that I use in recording from time to time but I had to re-hardware it and repair a few glue granulations. Sounds great. Don't know how it kept hanging on around me for literally decades but I guess it sounds too good for certain applications to pass off.
All I know is that as an older player who started learning in the mid late 40s and started a full career in 1954, I find that in almost every case I am truly thankful for well made drums of today.
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