Gus Kund
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll4jR_kYQs4&feature=related
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roger strange
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Somehow that makes no sense to me at all.
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James Walker
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A friend of mine posted that video.
If one believes that extended periods of mallet rolling can help to break in a newly-made cymbal, then this sort of thing can make sense - this gets the metal vibrating, and you don't need to be standing there the whole time rolling with mallets. That's what he was trying to accomplish here.
Check this out:
http://www.acguitar.com/Gear/advice/vibration.shtml
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roger strange
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I was waiting for your comments James. I find that to break in a new cymbal at least for drum set playing really requires drum stick impact to get the molecules all heading towards a center impact area. I've done the mallet rolling and other steady extended vibrating techniques but what works for me is actual playing with a drumstick in tunes. Something about the varied force stick blows seems to work best for me. However, I guess anyway you do it and get results is OK. I DO find that if I have a used cymbal part of my technique in re-aligning the cymbal to my playing is first, jangling up and mixing up the molecules before I start letting the cymbal know what I want from it with the sticks. Mallet rolling and the above suggested process can do that for sure, before some other stuff I do gets done to the cymbal. New cymbals however are usually not played much if any in any specific way so their molecules are not really yet aligned.
However there is also a very valid school of drummer thought who chuckle at any of us who fool around with cymbals. They just "put 'em up and play 'em" and that of course works too. Actually, with the last ride I bought not too long ago that's exactly what I did with it. It's coming around just fine with literally nothing more than popping it on the stand and counting in the first tune.
Edited by roger strange (Sun Nov 27 2011 01:46 PM)
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James Walker
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I've heard and read from people far more knowledgeable in the ways of cymbals that mallet rolling helps. However, I'm convinced that the "settling in" phenomenon is more a matter of time than anything else - the metal just needs time to settle after all of that machining. I've got a few cymbals that I either obtained brand new from a cymbalsmith, or had reworked by cymbalsmiths. Some I mallet rolled, others I didn't. All of them matured within the first year or so.
Then again, don't go by me - I've noticed the same things with drums I've built ("assembled," whatever). There was one maple segment shell snare I put together, that really left me flat after a couple of weeks of tuning and tweaking, and a friend whose ears and judgement I trust concurred. (My thought at the time: "Jim finally built a dud.") I stuck it on the shelf for a few months; I had other snares I thought sounded better, but this one was pretty enough to display. About six months later, just for the hell of it, I put it up on my kit. It sounded and responded like a different drum - and again, just to make sure it wasn't my imagination, I ran it past my friend, who confirmed my findings.
Go figure. I'm at the point now where I'd rather just put the thing on the stand and get to know it - and if it changes with time, I'll just do my best to hang with it.
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roger strange
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Yep. I've done pretty near anything you can think of from burying to re-tempering and a bunch of other things to cymbals new and old. Certain things I've done WILL change how a cymbal reacts but in the main I am now a fan of just dropping the new baby (new to me used or brand new) on the stand/boom and as James remarks, just "get to know it" or more correctly get it to know me. All this other stuff is just stuff that keeps you busy I think.
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bongobrad
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I figure cymbals have spent enough time spinning on the lathe, and getting hammered, either by hand or machine, that mallet rolling will only make the cymbal sound better in my mind. I just put 'em on the stand & play.
Let time take over after that.
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bear45
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So, James .......
....... which cymbal are you going to send to them to be shaken?
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James Walker
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I like my current crop of bronze just the way it is, bear. No shaking required. 
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roger strange
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Now, at this point, that's what I like to hear. As you know I grew up under the wing of some of the older cats from the 40s who used to bury their cymbals etc. I've also used a few techniques shown to me by retired cymbalsmiths from Sabian. I've done them all and now....I just pop them on the stands and let them get used to me and give me what they've got.
Less time consuming, less cleaning etc ( bury them for a while and YOU DO need to clean them) and much more of a focus on the playing and what stick tip I use to get the sound I need in the character of the way the cymbal was built by cats a lot more saavy about these things than I could ever be. Because they are building cymbals by the truckload every year. Besides which, at my stage of life I don't have the patience or time anymore to fiddle around with stuff. I'm turning into a "drip dry" drummer. Buy it, put it on and wear the sound as it is. I'm more involved with the Music than what I'm playing on, as long as what I'm playing on sounds good and gives me what I'm feeling.
Edited by roger strange (Wed Dec 07 2011 02:28 AM)
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